All threads in brexit seem to anti brexit? Mn is usually balanced... Were are pro b threads?

[Knittedjimmychoos]

Looking for some lighter brexit relief by fellow leavers... Every thread I've glanced at seems to be dominated by renainers?

Is there any space for leaver on here?

Just interested... I wanted to chat...

Your forgetting that playing it by ear is because right now there is nothing I can do, but I do think after we leave things will change .

mummy WHAT, specifically, do you think will change? I'm especially interested in hearing about what will change for the better.

Not all academic think Brexit will be bad.
You choose to enter into any issues with the results of the doomsday sensational outcome, because you are doing it for maximum effect, to promote your views.
This message is not the only possible outcome, but in the end that does not currently get broadcast as you know.

It's not Leave I fear but No Deal. you don't see the difference. Doesn't it worry you that you can't?

Incredible.
You are obviously the one that claims 'my car just crashed itself into a wall'.

Thinks at this time are not certain, so forecasts come with a warning that they are not to be relied on as subject to change.
So how do you expect anyone to know....

bellinisurge
May tried to arrange WA
It got voted down. It is now dead
Free trade or No deal are all that is left.
EU said no to Free Trade so what else is there?

You know what constitutes risky behaviour. Or you should. And you avoid it or mitigate against the risks- like accepting WA.
Guess you don't have the ability to judge risky behaviour.

But I don't want to be in the EU.
Risks...will the UK become pennyless without income, and no food at all ever to eat.... .No...ok I will risk it.

What on earth are you talking about?

Sorry I know too simple for you....
But lots of people who do and can understand all the risks feel we can leave and prosper....so they must know something you don't.

EU said no to Free Trade

No they didn’t - due to May’s red lines a Canada style FTA was all that was on offer.

Which "lots of people " are these? People who have lots of money and assets out of the country already.

You could start to apologise to the people whose lives you are buggering up.
This is so ridiculous. People were asked to vote in a democratic referendum and most did. No apologies owed to anyone.

There's Leave via WA or Leave via No Deal.@MeganBacon . The former I can live with, the latter is a catastrophe. If we end up with the latter, I know who I would blame.

The EU is a free trade area
So they said things would change, we would not be allowed access.
So how does that work?

It's for you to decide to blame people if you feel the need (what a waste of energy), but the voting public would still not owe you an apology because it is for government to facilitate the leaving, not the voting public.

How does it work mummmy - if we say we want access we pay our dues. If we say we don't want access, which Leave has now decided that is what they meant, then we don't get access. It's pretty simple really.

Not that was what was said at the time. Daniel Hannan MEP after the Referendum result is on record as saying that no one is talking of leaving the Single Market.

Daniel Hannan MEP after the Referendum result is on record as saying that no one is talking of leaving the Single Market.

And Vince Cable said;
Ditching EU free movement is a political necessity

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/05/eu-free-movement-vince-cable-brexit-immigration-controls

@MeganBacon , I'm "the voting public " too. Or have you forgotten that 48% didn't want this shit. And how many of the 52% want No Deal? Are you sure it's all of them?

So again we come back to the can't be bothered to voters ...
Those are the people who owe you the apology.

{The EU is a free trade area
So they said things would change, we would not be allowed access.
So how does that work?}

No the UK is not being denied access, but as a NON member it will have to pay tariffs at some level, yet to be determined.

The WA are the RULES for disengagement with the EU and will not be renegotiated. The actual tariffs and other negotiations haven't even started, that is another 5 or more years of fun.

Having a 'no deal' will mean a period of total chaos, after which the UK will HAVE to sign up to the (or A) WA BEFORE the EU commences negotiations. For all her faults, at least Theresa understood this.
Making a bit of an attempt to understand the plan does help.

{So again we come back to the can't be bothered to voters ...}
NO, it is the ones who voted to leave who caused the problem.

Daniel Hannan appears to have just mixed up his terminology in an interview - he meant 'free market' - from Full Fact;

"Mr Hannan’s wording isn’t consistent across the interview itself either. Earlier on, he said "absolutely nobody is suggesting we would give up our position in the free market in Europe".

"Again, because of this loose use of terminology, it’s easy to see why people would have taken different messages away after seeing this interview.On one reading, this is another case of talking about having a continued trading relationship with the EU after Brexit, as distinct from being a member of the single market."

This is so ridiculous. People were asked to vote in a democratic referendum and most did. No apologies owed to anyone.

I respect the Leavers of my friendship and acquaintance group who have admitted that with hindsight they wish they hadn't voted leave. Some did it as a protest, thinking Remain would win by far, some believed the shite on the side of the bus, some thought the EU was undemocratic ... the list goes on. But now more on more are quietly admitting they were wrong to vote leave, and that they hadn't thought through the implications of leaving.

I respect these people for admitting they made a mistake. I don't respect the ones who stubbornly insist that they stand by their vote.

Then there are some who now say they didn't vote or they voted remain! They are the ones who really grind my gears. Do they really think people around them don't remember their elation in the immediate aftermath of the referendum?!

So no not necessarily an apology but an admittance that they were wrong is welcome.