All threads in brexit seem to anti brexit? Mn is usually balanced... Were are pro b threads?

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Looking for some lighter brexit relief by fellow leavers... Every thread I've glanced at seems to be dominated by renainers?

Is there any space for leaver on here?

Just interested... I wanted to chat...

I picked up on that too mummy - I sensed a definate 'remainy' edge to the BBC too; and whilst I'm dismissive of 'News' I do gulp lots of it most days for entertainment. I really wasn't sure how I would vote that actual day, until it was the 'day'.

It was bright and sunny, I got out of bed one side or the other, the air was fresh and clear, there was a 'vibe' about the day, there was the same 'feelz' at the Polling Station - most people were smiling, not speaking - I put my X in the Leave Box.

That might give a few here fits of apoplexy, but hey ho, that's how it rolls.

You know what mummy, I'm just gonna agree with everything you say. You cant reason with stupid.

I voted out my family are British immigrants they all voted out ages 18-65

That might give a few here fits of apoplexy, but hey ho, that's how it rolls.

Well, of course, if you are happy with how it rolls - so if you go on holiday to a country where they use the € and you get a much poorer exchange rate than you did three years ago, you say, "fine by me." Or if our food becomes much more expensive - "fine".

Er - grasping at straws there clerc/notaclerk - why would I believe leaflets when they put crap like £350m for the NHS?

My dad always said -make up your mind about things and don't believe what other people tell you about other people. He's been long dead but I'm also lucky in that I had a dad I could respect as well as being lucky, like you, to have been born in the UK and be free to think what you want.

ShatteredBrianne.. OFCOM are investigating BBC bias, this is not some fantasy, every paper reported it, MPs also bought it up in the house.
In your constant Mummy is wrong attitude your looking so stupid... That your just getting boring.

Exactly peregrina- as long as they own it then great. Its easy to be proud of what you've voted for at the mo. Let's see if they still feel that way next year

Ihaventgottimeforthis

I should have introduced you to my mother. That would have left you in no doubt that that the EU was the devil incarnate, preventing you from buying Canary Islands bananas or muddy potatoes. Apparently the Daily Telegraph said it was so.

Speaking of boring. Yawn, mummy. You still rattling on after I've conceded?

why would I believe leaflets when they put crap like £350m for the NHS?

I am quite sure that many people did believe it. The BBC had one person on saying that she would be angry if they didn't give the NHS that money. I would love them to go back and find her again and ask her if she is still happy with what she sees happening to the NHS. Locally it's been services cut and staff shortages.

Pere many can't afford to go on holiday to another country so really don't care about the exchange rate and food is expensive anyway depending on what you eat or where you live (more expensive for the poorest in the UK who will be more dependant on convenience shops).

Honestly, you need to realize that there are so many in the UK that really do have it much, much tougher than you appear to imagine.

Yeah and without funding via EU projects things are gonna get a whole lot tougher for them. Nearly a decade of austerity has led to the leave vote plus the right wing media spin.

Cos its soooooo cool to be right wing these days.

Briane have you ever read an application form to obtain EU Funding?

No many can't afford to go on holiday - that I know well. But not everyone who voted Leave was poor and you can bet your life that the wealthy Leave voting Tories of the south - east will be bellyaching when their holidays cost more.

Those people who have it tough are not going to have it any easier if we do Leave. Where are these wonderful cheap easy deals? No sign yet.

This discussion puts me in mind of friends and relatives who have been made redundant in the past; for everyone who said that it turned out to be a blessing in disguise and it gave them the incentive to do something else, but they had always been afraid to take the plunge, there have been 3 or 4 others who said it's been misery, they have had to cut back severely, it's been testing etc.

Well Pere I certainly don't claim to have the answers to everything, nor anything in fact, and I was surprised at how Leavey the SE was too - I've spent a lot of time there.

But I also find this 'period' of the 'expected' predictions being overturned quite exciting - and I 'own' that feeling and all that comes with that.

We can all provide some anecdotal experience of things as they happened before to suit our explanations of now and what we think will happen in the future. That is true, but for right now, it's uncertain - at first I railed against the 'uncertainty' as it was so unfair.

Now, I embrace it because the 'realm of uncertainty' is exponentially expanding so more and more people are experiencing it. It's no longer just the forgotten masses in the UK (and many other places worldwide) but it's becoming a 'shared experience' - so more people care about it and want 'uncertaintiy' to end.

Not all leavers are stupid, but most of the stupid voted leave. The correlation has never been more obvious than on this thread.

The lack of self-awareness and smug words of "troof" from the leave voters on this thread is excruciating to read. There is nothing that is more cringe inducing than a person who is too dim to realise that they are less bright than they perceive themselves to be.

Those such as Farage, Johnson and Hunt, are intelligent enough to know that they have to court those who lack the intelligence to see how stupid their proposals are. Largely because anyone (whether leaver or remainer) with the ability to truly think critically, can see through the dirge of no deal straight away.

That this country is being run by the intelligent, making ridiculous comments they know are bunkum, but will appeal to the dim, says everything about the state of the country and how we got to this point.

I used to be proud of my country folk. Since the referendum, it has become clear that a large swathe of the public in no way possess the critical thinking skills to be able to vote in an informed manner. Such stupidity, dressed up as "well most people agree with me and I haven't been wrong so far", evokes an image of a response given to lemmings on a cliff who dare to query the wisdom of mass suicide.

This lack of critical thinking ability seems to pervade many levels of society and across numerous professions. I have heard more science/numeracy based graduates say they voted leave than arts graduates. I suspect because the former requires intelligence but less analysis than the latter.

I despair at our education system which allows people to achieve at a high academic level, without the student having to learn how to think critically. I despair of those in professional jobs saying "I voted leave and I'm not thick" - maybe not, but able to analyse and compare arguments - nope! I hope this country never has another referendum. A large swathe of the population seem to be too dense to recognise their own lack of original thought.

And we get to be stuck on an Island (which is self-imposing isolation on itself) with them. Yay!

but it's becoming a 'shared experience' - so more people care about it and want 'uncertaintiy' to end.

Precious few of us have the 'shared experience' of the Boris Johnson's and Rees-Moggs of the world. Or Trump. Thankfully I am glad not to share Boris Johnson's experiences - of being sacked twice, being an adulterer, having neighbours call the Police because of blazing rows. No thanks.

I have heard more science/numeracy based graduates say they voted leave than arts graduates.

I must admit I have found the opposite, but I live in an area heavily dependent on scientific research and EU collaboration, so I wasn't at all surprised when my area voted Remain. Nor was I surprised with the Local and EU election results where candidates for parties with a strong Remain position thrashed those representing Leave parties.

have you ever read an application form to obtain EU Funding?

I'm not the poster you asked but I have. I was responsible for writing EU funding contracts on behalf of the EU for SME enterprises some years ago. People are supported to write bids if they ask for help. The amount of money that the EU pumped into Objective 1 and 2 deprives areas of the UK was MASSIVE! It made a real, tangible difference. It enabled many I know of to train their staff so the business output grew, got people retrained in areas where manufacturing had died, and did more for those areas of the UK than ANY UK government had done.

The public in deprived areas don't see all the money the EU has pumped into it. Not all of the money is paid towards leisure centres with an EU badge next to them. Retraining old miners to work at recycling plants isn't something the public see, by and large, and often even the miner won't be aware of where the funding has come from.

The EU has been helping to regenerate skills and opportunities in poor areas for years. To replace failed insustries with new skills. To maximise our potential and productivity.

Anyone who voted leave for the sake of the poor was deluded at best, and voted to make the most deprived areas much poorer with fewer opportunities. Still, as long as there is change, eh? In a few years, the UK will realise what it has lost. Those who are poor and didn't vote for Brexit will turn on those who did. The remain camp should have publicised the EU more, but the Tory government was busy trying to claim its successes for itself.

I am one person. I disseminated MILLIONS of EU money in my area. And there were approximately 20 - 30 of us all doing the same thing. In one area of the country. There were dozens of teams across the country. Working with colleges, jobcentre, small business to improve, train and regenerate.

Slow hand clap to those who thought the poor would be better off outside of the EU.

Firstly, it's been a very nice evening with the 'nice girls' and I've enjoyed your discussions but it's gettin past my bedtime so I'll have to say Good Night Jim Bob for now.

Afore I go, just saying Hi to Joanna and welcome - thanks for popping along to point out how dim I am - Hate Nice But Dim.

Just a thought, although you've probably already considered this given your superior thinking powers, but there's lots of uninhabited Islands in the UK. Because of your super thinking powers it shouldn't take you more than a week to raise the money and buy one so that you don't have to share it with us Dim People.

there's loads of islands worldwide you could buy but you might not get the same freedoms that you enjoy as your very own UK island.

But then you would already know that.

I suggest anyone reckless enough to embrace the excitement of uncertainty goes off and plays Russian Roulette. At least then they are only harming themselves with their nihilism.

But then you would already know that

Indeed I do. But I prefer to stay and fight for my daughter's future that is being robbed from her. I love my country, and 17 million leave voters is a fairly low percentage of the population.

I do wonder whether leave voters who pull the "if you don't like it leave the UK" argument realise that a) we can't all leave if we don't have other European citizenship (which will soon go), b) we can't all afford an Island (though would dearly love one) and most of all c) If leavers want to be out of Europe so much, they could also fuck off elsewhere? It always has to be someone else moving.....ironic when they call themselves leavers.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz aghahah ....so how much did the LEADER project pay out in NW Devon? What jobs (besides LEADER project jobs) have you created?

Frankly, the minimum requirement of having £50k available and the ability to pay for any eligible projectbefore LEADER would consider it is too restrictive. Whilst you and your colleagues might be paid for your time to consider the application, those of us that put in our time trying to fulfill your restrictive criteria are not.

We have sons and daughters and bills to pay too, we need to spend our time earning money not filling in silly forms so you can earn a living. Landfill Tax Credits, administered locally, do loads more than your funding streams do - and don't make the low-paid spend too much unpaid time filling in the forms.

Right then, I'll go back to my zzzzzzzzzzzzzz as you don't have anything to say do you Joanna? Spouting your rhetoric about all the great things you do, when you're asked for hard facts, you can't deliver.

So what jobs did those miners get in "plastic recycling"? Or maybe they didn't get jobs but were 'going through the motions' to validate you having your job.

The LEADER project people round here are on a great wage compared to most - and you know what, there's unspent funds because hardly anything qualifies for the funding. Maybe that's cuz we''ez all dim round here.

WTF are you talking about? I don't work in North Devon and never worked on the Leader project. Funnily enough, there are other projects in other areas. Mine were ones with zero employer cost. Thousands of jobs/retraining places created across the county. Funding is disseminated through lots of third party organisations. It totally depends which type of organisation it is as to which projects are in place.

Love your zzzzzzzzzzz yet you still give a load of spiel based on one particular area. Bless! 😂