All threads in brexit seem to anti brexit? Mn is usually balanced... Were are pro b threads?

[Knittedjimmychoos]

Looking for some lighter brexit relief by fellow leavers... Every thread I've glanced at seems to be dominated by renainers?

Is there any space for leaver on here?

Just interested... I wanted to chat...

17 Million knew they had one chance to leave.
There are many reasons people put an X in the box, but whose fault is it that so many people were misread, that the EU message was not strong enough to carry the vote.
That in hindsight there are so many points that were not raised that should have been plastered all over the papers.

Which points?

Friday, innit ?

the political will to promote regional plastic recycling factories comes from me and the many from either side of the Brexit 'line'.

In which case though, you have to get actively involved say in local politics, which you might be, or start writing to your MP, which again you might do. Action has to be taken, it won't happen by itself, and it's not the sort of thing that Boris Johnson would bother himself to think about.

The difference post-Brexit is that the 'existing powers that be' can't duck behind the EU and blame them anymore.

One thing we can agree on, but they will have a bl**dy good try and will spend at least 5 years, if not ten doing so.

The papers.... hmmm lets take look at the people who own our wonderful free press shall we?

Let's look at the agenda of their political editors shall we?

I'm sure it's all coincidence that positives of the EU weren't mentioned at all in the run up to the ref

There were pro EU papers.
The BBC gets beamed into homes...
That 9 million pounds on junk mail...
The campaign focused on fear, but not the good things.

I suspect that most of us can agree that much of the blame lies with Cameron. His big problem was that he couldn't really sell the benefits of the EU because it would have highlighted the areas where his Government fell down e.g. EU funding for Wales and Cornwall for a starter. Why didn't this money come from Westminster? He could have been a whole lot smarter as Harold Wilson was with his Referendum in 1975, who managed to take a back seat so that it wasn't a Referendum on his Premiership and I suspect he had a pretty shrewd idea of what the result would be. He didn't have the benefit of an Eton education though, must just have been native cunning in his case. (He had a reputation for craftiness for those of us old enough to remember him.)

This is scandalous.

When will people see these greedy twats for precisely what they are?

Have a read mummy. Look at the billionaire media owners in the list. You think they care for democracy? Or ordinary people? Fo they actually have to loot your house and pawn your assets for you to believe they are devious?

thebrexitsyndicate.com

ShatteredBrianne
Your so willing to attack after the event, when no deal is knocked at the door, do you ever wonder if you had made the effort 3 years ago you might have stood more of a chance?

That's pretty insulting. You didn't know me from Adam three years ago and yes I was very vocal about remain. I cant shoose what people listen to. Look at you, three years on. The facts are dog shit her you think they smell of Roses. Not much I can do to persuade you apart from ask you to read the link and ask yourself genuinely what is in it for them?
Be honest with yourself for once

In which case Pere I do so agree, I don't get involved in 'politics' but I have been involved in local governance for many years - as a Parish Clerk and 'local organizations' at a grassroots level - I do know 'how it works' - I've been 'dormant' for nearly 5 years now, I welcome the huge influx of new and independent (yes I can even work out the political leanings of independents too) non-political councillors that the local electorate have voted in. I'm just waiting for the 'explosion' and dust to settle before I wade in.

I'm really not trying to say 'I'm so great -follow me!' - just that things aren't as bad, people aren't all ill-prepared and that some do actually have A Plan.

{That 9 million pounds on junk mail...}
Which sadly is gradually coming true, or in fact the reverse is. The things that leaflet mentioned are gradually being taken away one at a time.
So rather than sneer at it, and consider what BoJo is doing to not only retain the things that were mentioned, but improve on it, which the Leave campaign were practically stating. So, pin it to the wall ore fridge and cross off the things the UK is losing one at a time.

So where for example is the commitment to and money for the NHS? What has Johnson said about this recently?

Newspapers are never impartial...they always back sides, and yes money is involved, they don't do it for charitable reasons.
But the BBC should have done more said more, but they were on remains side so how come that didn't change people's minds?
How is asking you if you tried harder the result could have been different insulting?

BBC on the Remain side? I suppose that depends on which programmes you watch or listen to, but certainly not if you listen to John Humphries or watch Question Time. The latter being the UKIP Time.

The BBC was definitely not pro remain during the run up. I have no idea what you were watching.

You clearly weren't paying attention whatever it was.

Leaflets? Hardly anyone reads leaflets (they go straight into recycling). Politicians? Hardly anyone believes what they say. The News and The Papers? Only use is a for a teabreak, there's always another Paper and some more News until the next ones. All disposable, mostly irrelevant stuff, just a tiny irrelevant part to help churn another day in the scheme of things.

In reality, most people ignore what these things try and tell them to think about things, most really don't pay any attention to bus adverts either. People will just think their own shit mostly - I think we're lucky in the UK that mostly we do think our own shit and have no fear of saying it.

Really, OMG....the BBC were hauled out ver the coals about it by so many officals.
They had loaded remain panels and still do.
The coverage on the night of the vote when it was revealed remain had lost....how did you not read and see this.

Ok now we know that poor mummy is on another planet. No idea how else someone could come to that conclusion.

You do know OFCOM are investigating.
That the BBC have admitted it.
But bows to your knowledge.

The coverage on the night of the vote when it was revealed remain had lost....how did you not read and see this.

I remember well - the look of horror on Johnson and Gove's faces when they realised that they had won.

I didn't campaign for Remain three years ago because I thought very few people would be so silly as to believe that the NHS would get all that money, or that bendy bananas had been banned, or that immigrants were ruining our once great empire country.
I was very wrong.

{Leaflets? Hardly anyone reads leaflets (they go straight into recycling). Politicians? Hardly anyone believes what they say. The News and The Papers? Only use is a for a teabreak,}

And you don't think there is a problem with ignoring what people tell you?
By the same token, it seems leave voters believe that there are too many EU immigrants and that Boris will put an extra £350 Million a week into the NHS, but you don't read leaflets or newspapers. How does this work then?