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All threads in brexit seem to anti brexit? Mn is usually balanced... Were are pro b threads?

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Knittedjimmychoos · 13/07/2019 23:59

Looking for some lighter brexit relief by fellow leavers... Every thread I've glanced at seems to be dominated by renainers?

Is there any space for leaver on here?

Just interested... I wanted to chat...

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twentyp · 18/07/2019 11:53

Yeah - because it's not like the Tories are considering ways to dissolve Parliament in order to push through policies that Parliament won't possibly accept
They'd like to do it but our Parliamentary democracy won't let it happen. There are power-crazed politictians in all countries. The democratic systems have to be robust enough to prevent them grabbing power without the consent of the people. I believe ours is and I'm not sure about the EU.

Lonelycrab · 18/07/2019 11:54

Exactly my thoughts, continuity when I read what you just quoted. The processes and institutions that should be protecting our democracy are being dismantled before our eyes.

bellinisurge · 18/07/2019 11:55

"Don't you think it ironic your facing a leaver handing you a no deal in just over three months...."

Huh? Hmm

ContinuityError · 18/07/2019 12:00

twentyp all it needs is for the new PM to stall through to mid October and then hold a new Queen's Speech for the beginning of November. Parliament prorogued and unable to vote on anything. Undemocratic, as it denies Parliament its voice, but completely in line with how the UK Parliamentary democracy operates.

So no, I don't believe that UK democracy is robust enough to prevent a power grab by the new PM.

ContinuityError · 18/07/2019 12:12

Bercow just has selected a cross-party amendment seeking to stop the new PM suspending Parliament to force through Brexit. Will be voted on later today and could possibly lead to ministerial resignations/sackings.

1tisILeClerc · 18/07/2019 12:53

{So you would rather have a well-run benign dictatorship than a ramshackle democracy? I can't agree with you at all.}
I will agree that finding a genuine benign dictatorship is a bit tough but then there are some around the world that are not far off the 'standard' of some other Western democracies when you look at the way say 90% of the population are treated.

{I think the EU is a very dangerous experiment in government that has grown far too rapidly and is not properly tested.}
You only get 1 life, make the best of it you can.

{ What's to stop an even more right wing person being appointed and imposing austerity/military conscription on every member state.}
The constitution of the EU makes it difficult for this to happen.
It is possible that the whole of the EU could lurch hard left or hard right. Many would see this as undesirable but in general most people want a peaceful comfortable life with their families and a degree of unrest that extreme would be opposed.

{They will not be able to leave or opt out as they are so entangled economically.}
Any member country can leave whenever it wants. There would be a WA written up, similar to the WA for the UK, at which point the sovereign governments would negotiate , ratify then leave.

{It's proving pretty hard for the UK to leave and we aren't even in the Eurozone!}
This is largely due to the unique problem of the Irish border. Any other country would accept that fences, guard dogs and patrols would appear around the border.

ShatteredBrianne · 18/07/2019 13:01

I maybe gained 100 votes for the leave campaign

Grin sorry i can't take mummy seriously at all. I'm trying to imagine her saying this with a straight face Grin Grin Grin

mummmy2017 · 18/07/2019 13:30

ShatteredBrianne
Do you actually realise that in 3 months time we will be out.

That those of us who voted will be seeing it happen....
Your echo chamber has given you false hope

bellinisurge · 18/07/2019 13:58

@mummmy2017 , it's no Deal I don't want. Leave if we must but not via No Deal.

mummmy2017 · 18/07/2019 14:08

But the only deal that was brokered was one people could not support, at some point it will be no deal as the EU have had enough and this latest vote has no impact on the EU ...

bellinisurge · 18/07/2019 14:20

So you are a no Dealer then? Shameful.

mummmy2017 · 18/07/2019 14:33

No. I backed the side I wanted as did Millions. Do you think everyone has to holds the same views as yourself, because I don't.

1tisILeClerc · 18/07/2019 14:46

{Do you actually realise that in 3 months time we will be out.
That those of us who voted will be seeing it happen....}
For you personally, and everyone else that voted to leave I wish you all that the (empty) promises of BoJo / Hunt.
For everyone else, we can only pray it is not as bad as looks likely.

bellinisurge · 18/07/2019 15:23

@mummmy2017 don't you get it. I'm content for Leave. I didn't vote for it but more people did so that's that. What I will not accept is No Deal.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?

twofingerstoEverything · 18/07/2019 15:26

Both Johnson and Hunt have pledged to take UK out of the EU.

I think you'll find similar 'pledges' were made 3 years ago and yet here we are...

twofingerstoEverything · 18/07/2019 15:32

I maybe gained 100 votes for the leave campaign
I'd have loved to have been there when you used your best persuasive arguments, given that you've said ad nauseum that you've no idea how Brexit could/should be done, because we 'pay others' to work out the nitty gritty. There are clearly millions of gullible people out there.

mummmy2017 · 18/07/2019 15:38

Yet what myself and others have always wanted is no deal.
To start with a blank sheet and work forwards, not trying to fudge a deal ...

1tisILeClerc · 18/07/2019 15:59

{Yet what myself and others have always wanted is no deal.
To start with a blank sheet and work forwards, not trying to fudge a deal}

I am glad you can hold your breath for 5 or more years while a deal is struck.
Maybe you should learn about the way the world works.

TheElementsSong · 18/07/2019 16:01

So we crash out with No Deal, to a fanfare of trumps and bunting of kippers. Hurrah, we've achieved Pure True Brexit of maximal empty blankness, none of that nasty tainting with dealiness which is Betrayal of the Willy Of the People.

Then what? How long should there not be any deals with the EU (say for trade or services), for it not to count as Betrayal of the Willy Of the People? And what of the "mini-deals" that have already been agreed, e.g. allowing planes to keep flying, even in the event of No Deal? Do those count as a betraying smudge upon the pure white blank sheet of No Deal? Should we rip those up too prior to exit?

mummmy2017 · 18/07/2019 16:05

The EU say they are ready for no deal.

I also think away from the news papers, these things are already in place, but where are the headlines in saying that

ShatteredBrianne · 18/07/2019 16:06

*I maybe gained 100 votes for the leave campaign

grin sorry i can't take mummy seriously at all. I'm trying to imagine her saying this with a straight face*

ShatteredBrianne
Do you actually realise that in 3 months time we will be out.
That those of us who voted will be seeing it happen....
Your echo chamber has given you false hope

mummy - you've missed the point of my comment. Seriously. You actually think you convinced 100 people to vote Leave??? Based on the strength of your arguments. Echo chamber or not, I find it hilarious that you've managed to convince people of something that you're not certain of yourself, given how little you know on the topic.

You are hilarious! Grin

ShatteredBrianne · 18/07/2019 16:07

I'd have loved to have been there when you used your best persuasive arguments, given that you've said ad nauseum that you've no idea how Brexit could/should be done, because we 'pay others' to work out the nitty gritty. There are clearly millions of gullible people out there

This!

1tisILeClerc · 18/07/2019 16:08

{And what of the "mini-deals" that have already been agreed, e.g. allowing planes to keep flying, even in the event of No Deal? Do those count as a betraying smudge upon the pure white blank sheet of No Deal? Should we rip those up too prior to exit?}

Well they are consessions to the UK from the EU so are entirely at the EU's discretion as to when they will end. They are not really 'deals' at all.
Since the likes of the gutter press and their 'readers' are still being rude about the EU, I would recommend to the EU that they just terminate them all as soon as possible unless some respect is shown.

mummmy2017 · 18/07/2019 16:14

ShatteredBrianne
Have you always been a bully and a saw loser?

DGRossetti · 18/07/2019 16:25

Have you always been a bully and a saw loser?

Surely that makes them a cut above ?