All threads in brexit seem to anti brexit? Mn is usually balanced... Were are pro b threads?

[Knittedjimmychoos]

Looking for some lighter brexit relief by fellow leavers... Every thread I've glanced at seems to be dominated by renainers?

Is there any space for leaver on here?

Just interested... I wanted to chat...

I’m middle age too, and I have no idea what the bleeding future looks like either but I do know that you don’t fix things by destroying everything 😐

{Nor do you.}

I know that your naiveity has cost me thousands, endangered my pension and job and 2 years of stress, likewise for several million others and this is before the UK actually leaves and the best you can come up with is you want some 'change'.
I am fed up of the insults from Leavers.

Then when you had the chance you should have got up and shouted , scream , black CK traffic done anything you could to stop this ..
Instead you sat so sure this was a done deal..close vote but going your way...
You did this to yourself, stop blaming others for holding different views to yourself.....

But we do pay lots of people who do understand and can sort it, and make adjustments to the UK economy to make it work.

But Leavers had had enough of experts, don't you remember?

Peregrina

I have always said that I am not qualified to do the job,. The govenment gets paid to do it...

So therefore what the government does must be right, huh?

But we do pay lots of people who do understand and can sort it, and make adjustments to the UK economy to make it work.

So what are the government doing besides making a balls up of everything? You trust the Tories? I notice you never answer my questions bar one.

Well right now the two men heading for the top job are both saying they will take us out..
So they seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet as me. .
Govenments are meant to do what they set out when asking to be voted in.. and that was to take us out.

The question about who sorts things?
That would be all the ministers and mandarins in Whitehall ..
Who are paid to research and come up with ways forward ..
The UK is not the only country who has seen the currency drop...but we do seem to be making progress, as the EU know...
Banking has not disappeared, bankers always find the silver lining. ..

Well right now the two men heading for the top job are both saying they will take us out..

They have been mighty silent on what exactly they intend to replace the current relationship with though.

When a person sells the family home, do they put all their possessions out onto the street and then start looking, or do they start looking beforehand?

mummmy2017
{Well right now the two men heading for the top job are both saying they will take us out..
So they seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet as me. .}

It is all very well saying the UK will be out, but out is not a destination. Where is it going to?
It cannot compete in a world market alone, it will have to be 'best buddies' with a significant trading bloc, so that would be USA, Russia, China or the EU. African nations are in a bloc but have relatively little money and they owe a lot to China, increasing rapidly. The USA won't play if the UK violates the GFA, and will be held at arms length by the EU.
So, where do YOU see the UK going?
If you can't answer this then you should not have voted leave on your ballot paper.

How do you plan for something no one has ever done before..
There is no crystal ball...

We don’t have a crystal ball, no, but it should be common sense that everything becoming more expensive and businesses becoming poorer is not a good direction for us....yet that it what is/will be happening. You just ignore this.

How do you plan for something no one has ever done before..

I assume there must have been a fair number of times in your life when you did something you had never done before? Leave home to go to college, get married, start a family, purchase a house; the list must be quite extensive.

Most of us don't know what exactly it will be like when we do any of those things, but e.g. we chose which course we want to study, look for places which offer the course, find out what exams we need to pass. It doesn't always work out, so then we need to think of an alternative, but most of us don't just go blindly into such things.
Or perhaps you do?

{How do you plan for something no one has ever done before..
There is no crystal ball...}

There are celebrations for man walking on the moon 50 years ago, it was a 'new thing' at that point but experts worked out how to get people there and back again.
The fact that practically all the world leaders and experts have said that Brexit is a stupid idea (for the UK) suggests that it might just be a stupid idea. The ones that are not saying it is a stupid idea are the ones waiting for the crash so they can rip the UK apart. And they WILL.

I share your optimism Mummy. Just watched the last of the leadership hustings, the London one. I thought Johnson was excellent, inspiring in fact. He makes a great case for modern conservatism: encouraging business, investing in new technologies, increasing the per child spend in education. Of course the Tories can only deliver all this if they can get Brexit sorted. Here's hoping.

Some things come completely out of the blue - two close members of my family lost their spouses suddenly. Both had been making plans for the future as parts of married couples, and had to cope with the unexpected, but absolutely no one wished this circumstance on either of them.

He was even gracious to May saying he respected her for many things including her climate change pledge, which he confirmed. I was impressed and heartened.

Project fear....
Not one possibility of good, because your so scared about it all...
There have been and are plane....but to pretend suit your agenda's better than to admit this....
But you can't plan for unknowns... So we can and will react as a nation... And drag you along with us .

encouraging business,

Johnson? He who is on record as saying F*ck business? Which one is it?
As for encouraging new technology and increasing spending on education, I will believe it when I see it. The Tories are not stopped from doing this now - they have chosen not to, so far. No doubt the prospect of losing some seats in a GE is beginning to concentrate their minds - they realise that they have little to offer many under 45s.

{encouraging business, investing in new technologies, increasing the per child spend in education. }

So, ask yourself why the Conservative government have done NONE of this in the last 10 years. He is talking bollocks, as usual.
It would actually be EASIER for the conservatives (or Labour) to this by REVOKING as they won't then have to spend hundreds of millions on the 'emergency measures' that have to be put in place to ensure food and medicines arrive.
ALL of what he has said was entirely possible while in the EU.

But in fact, in life people do plan for unknowns. They take out insurance for example, so that the mortgage is paid if they lose their job or a breadwinner dies.

{But you can't plan for unknowns}

I presume you are taking the piss.
The government's job is to make plans for the welfare of the UK and carry it out. There are tens of thousands of civil servants employed to do just that. The armed forces practice 'war games'. Planners make plans and test them rigorously. The government should be making plans for the next 20 or 30 years at least. Airbus and car manufacturers have their plans worked out for 10 or 15 years time.

Yep we took out a no deal insurance..
WTA.

How do you plan for the Easter islands asking us to make xccccc...?
An unknown..
What you do have s look see if it possible and if so plan then.