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All threads in brexit seem to anti brexit? Mn is usually balanced... Were are pro b threads?

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Knittedjimmychoos · 13/07/2019 23:59

Looking for some lighter brexit relief by fellow leavers... Every thread I've glanced at seems to be dominated by renainers?

Is there any space for leaver on here?

Just interested... I wanted to chat...

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mummmy2017 · 17/07/2019 20:20

Who said he was changing the car ..
I simply want to employ him for his set job...
I think your the one twisting it to try to prove a point I never made....

pointythings · 17/07/2019 20:22

The point I am making is that the dream Brexit that hardcore No Deal Headbangers want cannot be achieved without cost. The cost being trashing the economy. Hence people wanting their rustbuckets to magically change into a Merc.

Aside from this, politicians are not elected to directly give everyone who voted for them exactly what they want. That would be impossible. They need to act in the best interests of 1) their constituency and 2) the country. Most of the current lot on both sides only seem interested in 3) their party...

Peregrina · 17/07/2019 20:26

or 4) themselves and their own careers.

pointythings · 17/07/2019 20:31

I should also add that MPs are expected to work in the best interests of everyone in their constituency. Not just those who voted for them.

DustyDiamond · 17/07/2019 20:40

3 & 4 for many of them, definitely

That said, there are also many who are trying to do their best - they're not all Machiavellian narcissists with delusions of grandeur

mummmy2017 · 17/07/2019 20:43

When both sides during the election said they would enact Brexit....I think we the general public have a 100% right to feel that should be the outcome...
The liberals said they would keep us in....
How can you say you misunderstood what you were voting for.....

Bearbehind · 17/07/2019 20:49

How can you say you misunderstood what you were voting for.....

Ok, so what did your leave vote hope to achieve?

pointythings · 17/07/2019 20:55

Oh, we're back to the '80% who voted in the 2017 election voted for a party that pledged to deliver the referendum result, therefore 80% of the voters must want Brexit'. Yawn.

And now of course that must mean 80% are fully behind No Deal.

Some people need to learn a lot more about how FPTP works. And how logic works.

When you say 'we the general public' who exactly do you mean? Because as far as I can see the general public is just as divided as it was back in 2016.

mummmy2017 · 17/07/2019 20:57

To leave the EU..
Sorry Bear I don't know how or why..
But we do pay lots of people who do understand and can sort it, and make adjustments to the UK economy to make it work.
We will not vanish of the face of the earth as a country.
We will not become homeless, jobless and pennyless..
Just things will change and yes I want change.

pointythings · 17/07/2019 20:58

mummmy I don't know whether to be impressed or terrified by your boundless and groundless optimism.

Bearbehind · 17/07/2019 20:58

To Leave the EU

mummmy I won’t ever be able to comprehend your naivety in thinking it’s that simple so I’m not going to bother trying,

Peregrina · 17/07/2019 21:03

We will not vanish of the face of the earth as a country.

No, although some countries have vanished in my adult life - Yugoslavia being one which comes to mind. You could then add East Germany or North and South Vietnam as separate entities.
It's perfectly possible that we could become just Great Britain or England and Wales. After all the United Kingdom my now late parents were born into isn't the same one that I was born into.
Consider also a once prosperous country like Venezuela.

We will not become homeless, jobless and pennyless..
You may not, but many will.

Just things will change and yes I want change.
Any old change, so you will be happy with a change for the worse?

ShatteredBrianne · 17/07/2019 21:05

@mummmy2017 I k I read on another thread ages ago (and correct me if I'm wrong) that you personally voted to leave the EU in the hope that the money we send in contributions gets used in sorting out our poorest here instead. Is that right?

Apologies if I've got the wrong person.

mummmy2017 · 17/07/2019 21:08

And yet again we have a mild form of project fear..the reason people have turned off from the things you keep pointing too.
The same things you wrote 3 years ago, that still are not happening ...
Change happens as you personal just agreed.
Why do you always want change to be frightening, some changes bring good. Nothing is ever all bad......

mummmy2017 · 17/07/2019 21:11

ShatteredBrianne . Yes I do hope it's used to encourage industry and services...
That more is used to build homes...

I know there will be cost, but the amount we spend will decrease and the surplus can be used here at home to improve life's...

ShatteredBrianne · 17/07/2019 21:12

Again, the pound has fallen in value due to Brexit uncertainty. Jobs have gone. Companies have moved to mainland EU. Car plants have closed due to Brexit.

Bearbehind · 17/07/2019 21:13

mummmy I really don’t mean to be dismissive here, but of all the Leavers who post on here you have always been the most simplistic so I for one CBA to get into discussions with you on this again,

Suffice to say - we haven’t fucking left yet and there are still no answers to any of the important questions.

Peregrina · 17/07/2019 21:14

Some changes are good, but personally, I can't see that leaving the EU will bring me any good changes. If there was a genuine commitment to the NHS then yes, that would be a good change. This change however, was never part of the remit of the EU, so we could have been supporting the NHS and the Tories especially chose not to.

ShatteredBrianne · 17/07/2019 21:16

I wish your optimism could be bottled and used for the common good, mummy2017.

Do you honestly see the money we save in EU contributions being used here to support our NHS? Or schools? Or social care?

Why are the Tories already asset stripping the NHS? Do you think that will stop when we've left the EU? Or continue but on a faster trajectory since we need to sell off our assets just to get trade deals?

mummmy2017 · 17/07/2019 21:23

Bear time and against n we have argued, yet each time my simply view has been the one that has happened....
Why?
Because right now this is the only way forward...
BINO....do you remember that one....
That we would simply not leave, withdraw out letter and carry on..did it happen no...
Told you it would only ever be WTA and work from there ....

ShatteredBrianne · 17/07/2019 21:26

To be fair mummy, you do sound rather naive.

ShatteredBrianne · 17/07/2019 21:28

But we do pay lots of people who do understand and can sort it, and make adjustments to the UK economy to make it work.

Can you elaborate on this? Who are you referring to?

Bearbehind · 17/07/2019 21:28

mummmy much as I think no deal is the only way to get people like you to understand what you’ve unleashed, I still think it won’t happen because the grown ups understand how detrimental it will be.

Lonelycrab · 17/07/2019 21:35

I wish your optimism could be bottled and used for the common good, mummy2017.

Wouldn’t that just be snake oil?

@mummy your posts have been quite an eye opener as to how far the anger towards the EU has become, and how badly thought out your point of view is.

mummmy2017 · 17/07/2019 21:36

I'm middle age, I refuse to sit and cry over what could be, when I have no blooming idea what the future holds .
What have any of you changed over how Parliament are dealing with Brexit....NOTHING..
For three years shout me down, call me names , make out I know nothing.. ha ha...
Big news. ... Nor do you.