All threads in brexit seem to anti brexit? Mn is usually balanced... Were are pro b threads?

[Knittedjimmychoos]

Looking for some lighter brexit relief by fellow leavers... Every thread I've glanced at seems to be dominated by renainers?

Is there any space for leaver on here?

Just interested... I wanted to chat...

Sorry cross post Doris

But don't you think May should take some blame for her wishy washy stance...

Yep!
And her intransigence, and refusal to engage

I reckon the 'hardcore Remainers' were several orders of magnitude fewer in number than the No Deal Headbangers.

Let's not play the BBC game of false equivalency here.

You , can whine all you like

I'm not whining
Just stating an opinion - take it or leave it, it makes no difference to me 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm not sure why anyone thinks you're whining either, Diamond.

It's the phrase "hard Remainers". There are Remainers, who have been given literally no compromises in their direction. To suggest that they are, in some way "hard" because they have not compromised to say that, "OK we accept no deal is a good compromise" or some other bullshit is, frankly ridiculous.

I suspect, as I said above, that most Remainers would have accepted EEA/EFTA as a compromise, because that would have been relatively fair given the closeness of the result (not overwhelming as so many have tried to say) and despite the fact that the leave campaigned cheated and lied, but this has never been given an option. Nor has any softer version of leaving.

So basically, anyone trying to blame "hard Remainers" is whining, because it is not based in fact. like the whole leave campaign

Most 'Remainers' want good old fashioned remain, with perhaps a bit of Pro Europe and willingness to make things better thrown in for good measure, rather than the negativity of the Eurosceptics that we have seen particularly in the last 10 years or so.
To have already suffered the devaluing of the pond and stress caused by uncertainty over jobs and even the ability to stay in the country with your loved ones caused by the threat of leaving is just taking the piss.

pond = Pound obviously.

To suggest that they are, in some way "hard" because they have not compromised to say that, "OK we accept no deal is a good compromise" or some other bullshit is, frankly ridiculous.

I didn't suggest anything remotely like this

Then what are you suggesting they compromise on? What has been offered?

It is a remain echo chamber and quite an unpleasant male-dominated one. I occasionally visit because I'm interested in Brexit but it's not like other areas of MN where all sorts of people post. Instead, there are regulars who have been posting multiple long posts all day and everyday since well before the referendum! As soon as a leave voice appears they all jump out from the shadows to pour scorn. I can only assume they are paid to post here or they are strange people with an awful lot of time on their hands. I have posted occasionally but I don't bother anymore.
Yes I couldn't have put it better myself and I voted Remain. The whole thing is a fiasco but it's the uncertainty that is killing our business (farming). At least if WA had been voted for then it would have less worrying. And the salivating over the demise of farming has been disgusting.

I love the bizarre thinking! "salivating over the demise of farming" - Surely it's the Remainers who are desperately trying to save our farming (not to mention car industry, health service, etc. etc.)!

This is the kind of thinking that brought us "project fear" - i.e. any suggesting that everything is not going to absolutely fiiiine is the cause of the problems, rather than the warning.

Doris It's the hard liners on both sides that piss me off.

And the salivating over the demise of farming has been disgusting

So the rest of us have to put up with a terrible WA because farmers voted to leave the EU...... talk about entitled.

Farmers voted for Brexit and as we look increasingly at a no-deal, driven by brexitiers, then farmers like all other leave voters have to own what they voted for.

Sorry you get that from these threads @derxa . I would have thought the opposite is the case. I for one continue to be desperately sad for what this is doing to UK farming. I have a tiny hope that people will start to appreciate our farmers more and that there is some overdue inward investment targeted for UK only interests.

Speaking of farming ...

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/country-life/top-tories-and-farming-leaders-speak-out-against-no-deal-brexit-at-great-yorkshire-show-1-9873026

Pressure is mounting on the Government to avoid a no-deal divorce from the European Union, with concerns raised by two of Yorkshire’s most senior Conservative figures and industry leaders at the Great Yorkshire Show.

(contd)

Thanks for the support bellini

Doris It's the hard liners on both sides that piss me off.

Agree Derxa

Then what are you suggesting they compromise on? What has been offered?

As I explicitly stated, the MPs (both sides of Brexit, all parties) who opposed the WA

I'm not attacking or passing judgement on individuals & their views/preferences btw - I couldn't give a toss whether the ordinary person on the street/on MN is a leaver, remainer either soft, indifferent or hardcore of either - it's the MPs I hold entirely to blame on this

It's the MPs who could have & should have compromised & worked together - they chose instead to further their own egos/careers/agendas

The leavers comments are generally so rude - stupid, racist, Mail reader, old, ‘spoons drinkers etc, why would anyone bother?

My eldest sis is a leave voter. She has her reasons and is entitled to her view. She also has two Bachelor degrees & a Masters, is half way through her PHD, definitely doesn’t read the Mail, has almost certainly never been in a Wetherspoons and hasn’t a racist bone in her body.

I wouldn’t want her anywhere near these threads, they are horribly nasty and have echoes of cliquey supercilious playground spite.

"As I explicitly stated"

I have just checked your previous posts - there is not a single mention of MPs!

More Quitlings "facts"...

Farmers voted for Brexit Not overwhelmingly in Scotland and not among the farmers I know.
www.bidwells.co.uk/insights-and-research/rural-spectator-farmers-weekly-eu-referendum-poll/

It's the MPs who could have & should have compromised & worked together - they chose instead to further their own egos/careers/agendas
Exactly. The rest of us made a Yes/No choice based on shit evidence, propaganda and personal experience. We should never have had the vote but we did and now the stalemate is ossifying business.

I think we can all agree that the vast majority of MPs have handled Brexit in a way that is best described as shit.

{ they are horribly nasty and have echoes of cliquey supercilious playground spite.}

Spend a couple of minutes looking at the 'comments' on any article about Brexit in the Daily Mail, Express and other online rags.
When 'leavers' start to apologise for what they have already done to the UK, then maybe things might improve.
Even an explanation of what they hope to achieve by leaving would be a start, because there is no more sovereignty to be had, and any 'improvements' to the UK could have been made within the EU or out, with the thing being that the significant devaluation over the last 3 years (about 5%) and with a distinct likelihood of worsening due to tariffs and stock market wobbles, what the UK gets will not be what the UK was 'promised' by leave campaigners.

Spend a couple of minutes looking at the 'comments' on any article about Brexit in the Daily Mail, Express and other online rags. But we're talking about the MN Brexit threads.