Westminstenders: Johnson v Stewart

[RedToothBrush]

Debate time.

[Iambuffy]

I imagine lots of sterling being converted/moved in the weeks/days running up to no deal.

Bojo will want to give his chums - and himself - plenty of time to make money from the devaluation of sterling.

Ffs.

[BackInTime]

132 days until the 31st Oct
101 days from selection of the new PM to 31st Oct
73 working days less approx 25 days for parliament summer recess = 48 days

48 days to sort this out. Given that we have had 3 years and a no further forward I'm not holding my breath.

[BigChocFrenzy]

I also think the chance of Parliament being prorogued is small.
However, that is more because I doubt they could effectively stop No Deal

When a party is so fanatical about No Deal that its members say they would accept the destruction of their own party and of the UK,
when it abandons the usual conventions and regards opponents as traitors and enemies of the people,

then we really shouldn't believe "they wouldn't dare"

[BigChocFrenzy]

btw, they have made JC into such a "Marxist" bogeyman,

I'm not sure what they'd do if the polls before / after Brexit indicated he was going to win a majority

[Peregrina]

Meanwhile:

Mark Field assaulting the Climate Protester makes the front page of the BBC. Various Tories who should know better trying to excuse his loutish behaviour. I hope the Protestor sues.

In various by-elections which took place last night, where were the Brexit party? I don't think I saw any Brexit candidates.

The result of the recall petition in Brecon and Radnor should come today, although I don't know what time.

[HesterThrale]

mojo I want my country back and I think there's a way?

Don’t waste your money joining the Tory party to get a vote; it’s too late. You have to be a member for 3 months.

The local elections were interesting last night. LD took a seat from Lab; Lab took a seat from Con etc... Realignments continue.

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[BigChocFrenzy]

and anyway, what's the point of having a choice between 2 racist opportunists ?

[Basilpots]

Big. Not sure the Tory’s usual line of a JC Government will be a disaster is much of a threat anymore given what they have been up to for the last three years.

I voted remain and accepted the result initially but has time has gone and I listen to the likes of Wetherspoons man I rapidly feel like becoming an advocate of Schengen and adopting the Euro !!! Thing is I can imagine the same argument can be used for Leave Voters when you are being told you are stupid and don’t know what you voted for it is inevitable you’re attitude is going to harden. It’s got to a point I am not sure there is currently a compromise other than Mays deal which everyone is going to hate and blame the other side for. It’s a bloody mess but we cannot go on like this indefinitely

[BigChocFrenzy]

From the squeals of horror, JC is as much a bogeyman as ever to the hard right and even the moderates

He's one of the most useful weapons the Brexiter Ultras have, in hindering a boadly-based alliance against them
With a normal Labour leader, we'd either have revoked by now or be in transition heading safely to Norway++
and that Labour leader would be PM

[1tisILeClerc]

{ It’s got to a point I am not sure there is currently a compromise other than Mays deal which everyone is going to hate and blame the other side for.}

The WA is only the 'ground rules' for departure signalling the BEGINNING of negotiations.
The UK has still not decided what it wants, (as opposed to 17 million different versions of what it doesn't want). Had the UK negotiators actually done what they were supposed to do, write the WA document themselves to present to the EU 3 years ago it would have been a lot better. Presumably Olly Robbins (not heard much about him recently) and the other 'backroom team' did actually discuss matters with the EU to get the WA that exists.

[DGRossetti]

Others (DGR?) comment that things get very tricky after 3 meals have been missed.

It's something I've picked up over the years .... most societies are only a few meals away from anarchy. It's the oppressors gift - as long as people are fed and entertained you would be astounded how easy they are to corral.

I'd say on a good week, the UK is 5 days away from anarchy. And we don't (yet) have the infrastructure to ensure a complicit police/army as you'd need to make sure you were feeding their families to elicit cooperation.

It's all in the history books if you care to read them.

[Basilpots]

The Uk knows exactly what it wants all the benefits of EU membership but not the compromises that come with them. Unsurprisingly that is an impossible negotiating position for the EU to entertain.

[Peregrina]

Don't think it couldn't happen. Look at the fights which broke out over what was it, toy bears? Or when Kentucky Fried Chicken messed up its distribution - I don't recall fights, but I do recall a lot of anger.

[Iambuffy]

Bread and circuses.....

[1tisILeClerc]

{and entertained you would be astounded how easy they are to corral.}

Well the 'easy' solution is to scrap the BBC licence fee and go wall to wall 'Love island' and other high brow fodder, with the occasional aspirational programs such as 'look what the Europeans are doing now they haven't fucked their economy'.

[RedToothBrush]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3618019-Westminstenders-Brace-Yourself-Its-Gonna-BeBoris?watched=1
New thread

[placemats]

Boris and Natasha

[The80sweregreat]

Labour's 'silence is deafening ' is because nobody bothers to ask them anything. It's all Tory this and that and how to delay actually doing anything useful.
Maybe they just think they will leave it alone for now till the Tory faithful can get t heir new leader in charge! Then start on them.
Corbyn is useless anyway. He will not put up a fight as deep down his a leaver ! They also need a new leader but nobody in the labour
party seems to want to do anything about that at the moment.

[DGRossetti]

Corbyn is useless anyway. He will not put up a fight as deep down his a leaver !

So like Margaret Thatcher then.

[mathanxiety]

Those old Boris and Natasha cartoons are responsible for the political opinions of the majority of Americans when it comes to Russia, communism, and also socialism and anything that can be remotely linked to socialism, such as single payer health systems, free third level education and much more.