Westministenders: Hustings and Humilation

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Round 1 has passed.
Boris is winning. But these are the Tories. Surprises might yet happen.

But the chances are the lying buffon is full speed ahead to be the next PM. As long as he manages to keep his mouth shut.

Unfortunately being Prime Minister involves talking. This might prove to be something that bursts the BorisMania rather rapidly.

A GE is still very much on the cards.

And we might face the Constitutional and undemocratic shutting down of parliament to satisfy the Tory Faithless.

Meanwhile the EU couldn't give less shits. They just think we are wasting the time we were granted in good faith.

31st October beckons with No Deal.

Cannot wait to see the EU's faces when Boris puts him back into DexEU though

There is no EU negotiating team for Raab or anyone else to talk too, BJ/Tory plan is to order the EU do do as we want, if they are stupid enough not to do so, we leave on WTO terms, wrecking them economically for a generation......mmmmmm

There won't be any point in DexEU - no negotiations

The EU already refer to Raab as The Turnip,
so they would hardly quake in their shoes, just another big eye roll

"Brexit!" "Right wing project!"

Tories ran both Remain and - with Faragist support - Leave

Brexit was just an internal Tory catfight that got out of hand, due to sheer incompetence

The look of horror on BJ's face the next day said it all

Probably one reason JC stays out of it (apart from his own Lexit sympathies):
Leave or Revoke, it's really all the Tories' fault
and they should take the blame

However, in practical politics, 70% of Labour voters and 80% of members are Remainers
Corbyn should listen to his party - we've seen how they bled votes to the LDems & Greens
He can't win a GE without those votes

This is a shambles. Boris already lied. Guaranteed 31st Oct as leave date then immediately starts waffling about December!

Basil encouraged by your earlier question I looked up Mr Peter Bone. Apparently, in his previous normal life he was an accountant. And business man.

BJ needs an exension to attempt negotiations
He waffles so much that people don't realise what he plans

• and neither does he; he makes it up as he bumbles along

The EU won't renegotiate the WA,
but may extend to help him come around to an NI-only backstop + say a Canada+ PD

He is probably terrified at the prospect of coping with a No Deal crash
and terrified at what the batshitters will do to him if he asks for an extension and tries to avoid No Deal

Not terrified enough to run away before becoming PM

What did he say, Mother?

An extension to 2021 would mean that more than five years had passed since the Referendum. We always hold General Elections when 5 years are up. Would this make the batshit Leavers realise that the mandate has disappeared?

No point in that comment, Mother. Rather desperate really.

And nope, Peregrina. Because, democracy.

Any Tory contemplating a vote for BJ might want to look at this thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3611674-Has-anyone-worked-with-Boris-What-s-he-really-like

Though really, what can he do that is worse than what he has already done?

Thank you Tobee Pretty normal I guess the job rather than the individual.

Gove looks like a man who has memorised the results of that poll.

Still using Corbyn as the bogeyman

He is dim, lazy, a Lexite, cba about Labour anti-semitism

However, this is a debate among Tory candidates for leadership
it's not the Labour leadership elections

They are desperate to distract from the Brexshit they've got themselves in

There was nothing new in any of that. Gove seems slightly unstable.

The weird thing is they’re all managing to make Corbyn look less shit.

For all his faults, Corbyn has managed to see off two Tory PMs. Pretty good going really, for one so useless.

@Peregrina - What do you mean, Corbyn has "seen off" two Tory PMs? That's hardly down to him - you might as much claim that Nigel Farage has seen off two PMs as it was the pressure to deliver Brexit that forced them out.

OK, you could credit Corbyn for lasting in his job longer than those two, but their downfall was as much down to their own party as any strategy of Labour.

Corbyn should listen to his party - we've seen how they bled votes to the LDems & Greens

It’s too late for Corbyn on this.... If he came out now and supported a 2nd referendum, who would believe he was being genuine? He would be seen as being weak, and forced against his will to parrot support for something he doesn’t believe in? Who could vote for that!!

Labour brexiteers supporters would feel betrayed, with a fair few going to Farage... and those who had moved to the LDs or Greens will probably stay put. Voting for a Lexiter who’s been coerced into supporting a second referendum is hardly the best way to stop Brexit is it!...

Besides, things have moved on.... The best way to stop Brexit is for the LDs and Greens to form a hard or soft electoral pact, and to campaign on the basis of Revoke if 50% of more voters back remain parties in the GE....(and a referendum if not)

This would:

a) avoid prolonging the agony, and appeal to those disengaged from politics who just want Brexit over (and for whom ‘no-deal’ appears to be the way to deliver this - albeit they are tragically wrong in this regard)

b) cement ex-Labour remainers to their cause, outflanking any calls by Labour for a referendum

c) with the momentum generated, bring over Remainer Tories on board desperate to avoid the “devil and deep-blue-sea” of no-deal and Corbyn

d) ensure every Remainer feels their vote counts, even in Brexit heartlands... boosting their votes in the process.

e) give an effective riposte to brexiteers who claim Revoke is undemocratic.

Given 40% of voters at the EU elections voted for explicitly Remain parties, this isn’t pie in the sky stuff!

What do you mean, Corbyn has "seen off" two Tory PMs?

I meant exactly what I said - Corbyn, despite being told to "Go, man" by Cameron, is still Leader of his party. Cameron and now May have both gone. Nowhere did I say that this was due to any ability on Corbyn's part. Although I think we could credit him with helping May to lose the 2017 election. No he didn't win, but where's that 100 majority that May was banking on?

Yes, you could also say that Farage has seen off two Tory PMs - although Cameron didn't tell him to Go as far as I remember. Go from where, since he never got elected to Parliament?

Besides, things have moved on.... The best way to stop Brexit is for the LDs and Greens to form a hard or soft electoral pact, and to campaign on the basis of Revoke if 50% of more voters back remain parties in the GE....(and a referendum if not)

How? until the tories see that brexit leads them to fall dramatically in the polls to a Labour party supporting a second vote, we are going to leave the EU before the next GE.... what any pro remain party does after brexit is immaterial.

The resurgent LD/Green parties are dismissed as not a real threat due to the FPTP system and their more localised support.