Westministenders: Hustings and Humilation

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Round 1 has passed.
Boris is winning. But these are the Tories. Surprises might yet happen.

But the chances are the lying buffon is full speed ahead to be the next PM. As long as he manages to keep his mouth shut.

Unfortunately being Prime Minister involves talking. This might prove to be something that bursts the BorisMania rather rapidly.

A GE is still very much on the cards.

And we might face the Constitutional and undemocratic shutting down of parliament to satisfy the Tory Faithless.

Meanwhile the EU couldn't give less shits. They just think we are wasting the time we were granted in good faith.

31st October beckons with No Deal.

18 June - NFU livestock board chairman Richard Findlay said:

“This is clearly very positive news for British beef producers, who now have the opportunity to supply one of the biggest markets in the world.This is a significant achievement by Defra and AHDB and a landmark step in growing our exports."

But we're still in the EU? So we don't have to leave the EU to have this deal? So it's irrelevant to a brexit thread

So it's irrelevant to a brexit thread
Oh, yes, I forgot - farming is irrelevant to a brexit thread.

We get that you are excited Clavinova but £40 million for a year is 'earned' in a few days by car production, which will possibly cease if the UK leaves with no deal, and is not assured more than a couple of years into the future.
Nice idea, wrong league.

following a series of inspections by Chinese officials, in a deal worth an estimated £230m over the next five years.

Which pales into insignificance beside the £350 million a week that people thought was being promised to the NHS.

No we don't need factory farming in the UK
Certainly not unless we eat a lot more meat in this country, which is unlikely

We shouldn't lower standards for exports either

No we don't need factory farming in the UK

Especially since we have fought quite hard to get rid of things like battery chickens. Eating less meat would probably be good for a lot of us.

Yes - eat more local food and seasonally, wherever you live. Eat local fish, when there's a catch, eat less meat, but really good meat when you do. It took a long time to get the 30 month rule lifted in the UK - and even longer to re-establish the herds - suckler cows , bulls and fields that produce the distinctive beef we eat (used to eat until the late/mid 1990s) as a treat, not for everyday.

We don't really need Brexit to produce and eat food that way - reduce the carbon footprint, our health, etc do we?

Maybe we do...either way, more people will, so it's a good result.

Oh, yes, I forgot - farming is irrelevant to a brexit thread

No. Posting about a deal sending beef exports to China as if it is some kind of brexit related good news is irrelevant to a brexit thread. The deal would have happened anyway (as Ireland's beef export deal with China has) . And it doesn't make up for all the losses brexit is causing. So it doesn't bolster the case for leave. Jesus Fucking Christ.

Irony (c/o Clav) is obviously lost on you pretzels - be-jey-zus.

I doubt people will be consuming more ethically produced meat, eggs, veg, fruit, etc after Brexit. It will cost a fortune if farmers are to survive without EU subsidies.

Meanwhile, cheaper industrialised agricultural products from the US will be flooding the market.

Oh I can tell you who will be eating the ethically sourced meat, eggs etc.. It will be Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Company.

We already farm livestock indoors, super sized dairy herds, pigs, beef cattle and of course chickens.

This idea that UK farming is a chapess with a few sheep and cows and knows their names individually is a nonsense.

Most people either are not able or capable of growing their own food and locally grown stuff is expensive, let alone line caught fish... the future will be plant based protein foods and as Hates said going back to eating meat as a treat, not an everyday occurance.

Farmers wont go out of business in this new world, they just have to change what they rear/grow.

Yes eating meat was a treat - a joint of lamb or beef on Sunday was stretched out until the Wednesday when it was mince with breadcrumbs added and served up as shepherd's pie or rissoles. Having a chicken in the 1950s were something of a treat as I recall.
I don't want to go back to those days, because I recall food being extremely monotonous but there ought to be a happy medium somewhere.

Farmers wont go out of business in this new world, they just have to change what they rear/grow.

Easier said than done though. Much of farmland is already marginal, I can't see how upland pasture only suitable now for sheep could be used instead for arable.

Farmers wont go out of business in this new world, they just have to change what they rear/grow.

How come they get to me immune to the laws of supply and demand ?

Or is this a return to the 1970s style of consumer choice where you hopefully got a say in the colour your crap Leyland car was ?

(What really did for the British Car Industry was exposure to proper cars made by proper companies at proper prices ...)

Isn't eating insects supposed to be the way forward? It's quite a change of expertise though to go from cattle farming to intensive cricket farming Diversification of sources of protein; something is linking here to the vegan trend of growing meat in a lab perhaps?

I think a lot of farmers will sell out to developers (which will be heralded as helping the housing crisis when in actuality the houses will be 500k + due to rural locations and developer greed), new knowledge will be needed to cultivate this new type of farming and we will either end up importing most of our meat from USA (dependant on if/when we sign WA and our alignment) or we will have a huge public health campaign focusing on the dangers of bowel cancer and a more authoritarian stance on how much meat people are allowed to eat per week. With an authoritarian far right Tory govt I suspect a lot of health reforms will be linked to less tax from the public being spent on "individual lifestyle choice diseases" (those people deserved it if they ate meat 3 times a day! etc).

Isn't eating insects supposed to be the way forward?

Well it certainly will be when EU food regulations that don't permit any insect content of food are dropped for US ones which do.

www.livescience.com/55459-fda-acceptable-food-defects.html

You might want to make sure you read that on an empty stomach.

Also

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/food-standards-brexit-uk-us-trade-deal-maggots-rat-hair-worms-insects-mould-products-a8575721.html

Livestock farming across the world is a huge contributor to climate change, agri is going to have to alter how and what they farm.

If we don't restrict global warming, then the choice of colour of a car will be the least of our worries.

The upland sheep farmers will have to be subsidized or go out of business, of course people will eat meat, just not in the quantities we do now.

Livestock farming across the world is a huge contributor to climate change, agri is going to have to alter how and what they farm

I think before that population growth is the problem. Maybe if it were stable, we could look at some measures to offset the impact. But not if it keeps growing. It's like trying to empty a filling bath before the water reaches the overflow.

No Hate I understood Clav thought they were being clever. But the point remains - their point was pointless. I repeat. Jesus Fucking Christ.

Isn't eating insects supposed to be the way forward?

Dear God no! Not because of the taste but because it would finish off bio diversity.
No... we would all have to go vegan. May be jellyfish will be so plentiful in the warming oceans that they will have a legitimate spot in our food supplies but that's it.

Niece has just graduated with a Marine Biology degree. Interestingly, she is much more concerned about factory fishing and the carbon footprint of fish processing than plastic in the sea

So even fish is off the menu

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