We won’t get Farage as PM, will we?!

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DH seems to think the polls are predicting this and wants to emigrate!!

"I'd rather shit in my hands and clap"

Do you not think to an extent , it will give Peterborough a reputation? You can see already that posters on here are making assumptions that Peterborough is some deprived, backwater, cultural wasteland... and I don't think that's fair on the city.

But it's still interesting that those who will vote on Thursday don't see it as a parliamentary vote, as such but a protest vote, so like the referendum and the Euro elections in that respect. Which does tend to suggest BXP's votes will not translate to votes in a GE.

The only response anyone seems to give is "the entire country has lost its mind" surely a more rational prospect is that the main parties arent listening to the people? Labour and Lib Dems both claimed victory from the Euro elections yet were beaten by a party who have existed for 6 weeks! The Conservatives are now fighting over who is most likely to stop Brexit despite their worst ever election result. Who is more likely insane 5.2 million people, the 17.4 million who original voted for Brexit or 650 MPs?

Frankly, any phrase that includes 'the people' is really starting to elicit a Pavlovian nausea response in me these days. I'm really fucking sick of hearing it.

The only response anyone seems to give is "the entire country has lost its mind" surely a more rational prospect is that the main parties arent listening to the people?

I’m certainly not questioning that but that is internal politics.

It has sod all to do with the EU.

Which is why persuing Brexit is only going to make matters worse.

I agree that the EU is being blamed for internal politics, an awful lot of things will not get any better by leaving in fact quite a few may get worse.
So the two main parties are rubbish and the brexit party is a protest vote but for what though maybe just leaving the EU, and then what do they stand for does anybody know?

Bearbehind as is not persuing Brexit. MaudBaileysGreenTurban I'm not sure I like the term "the people" either it suggests a dictatorship.

Peterborough's not even particularly deprived.

If you have a look at, for example, the Indices of Deprivation 2015 or the Index of Multiple Deprivation you'll see that there are quite a few areas within Peterborough that are in the top 10% most deprived areas in the country.

However, there are equally areas of Peterborough that are very different.

So, it's fair to say that Peterborough, as a whole, isn't particularly deprived but there are some parts of it that really do rank in some of the very most deprived areas of the country.

It's not classic UKIP territory.

True, they only ever had four seats on the local council and tied in third place with the Lib Dems. Nowadays they have no seats at all.

BXP seems to have wider appeal.

I would agree with you. As UKIP moved to an increasingly right wing position I think a lot of people wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.

Also, there are issues specific to Peterborough that a large number of people consider are being made worse by remaining in the EU. Yes these issues are issues that the government should sort out but it is also true that many people believe that the situation is being exacerbated by remaining in the EU and, as the old saying goes, if you're in a hole then stop digging.

In 2012, if you said that Trump would win the 2016 election, people would have laughed in your face, so I would like to say no, but these are crazy times. And the crazy Brexit supporters (note NOT leave voters) are insane and cult-like and may very well see him as their saviour, so...

Maud To answer your question, yes - to a certain extent.

There are issues in Peterborough that, while it is properly the job of our own government to sort them out, it is also true that these issues are being made worse by remaining in the EU.

Leaving the EU is very much like stopping digging when you've got yourself in a hole.

So, to that extent, yes I do believe that the Brexit party have some of the answers as the country will stop digging the hole in that analogy which will help relieve some of the issues in Peterborough.

So, as a protest vote in a by-election "pour encourager les autres" as it were - a warning to others to just get on and deliver Brexit - I believe it is a perfectly valid position to take.

Although, as I've already said above, who I would actually vote for in any future general election I have no idea. Historically, I've either voted Labour or not voted at all.

{ Sad thing is ordinary people really do want change, they're undoubtedly sick of austerity}

But voting to leave is going to make austerity far worse. The government's own predictions are a loss of GDP between about 3% (if the UK had a transition and a Canada or other 'deal' up to nearly 9% drop in GDP, considerably worse than the 2008 bank crisis at a time when the UK will be on it's own and not sharing the problems with the EU and USA.

{There are issues in Peterborough that, while it is properly the job of our own government to sort them out, it is also true that these issues are being made worse by remaining in the EU.}

Being a member of the EU has no bearing on Peterborough.
The UK government could have applied the 'emergency brake' if it had an immigration problem (from the EU), and the EU financial contributions represent 0.7% of GDP, meaning that 99.3% is under full control of the UK government.

Do you not think to an extent , it will give Peterborough a reputation? You can see already that posters on here are making assumptions that Peterborough is some deprived, backwater, cultural wasteland...

It already does have a reputation.

and I don't think that's fair on the city.

I totally agree.

There was a recent thread in Education where the OP was asking about schools in Peterborough and these were some of the replies:-

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/education/3547212-Peterborough-schools-Primary-and-Secondary

Peterborough hasn't had a reputation over the last few years of being a particularly nice city (once voted rape capital of Britain I believe)......I would look at somewhere like Stamford (12 miles from Pboro) and on the A1 for easy commute also once voted best place to live in Britain,

So. Peterborough is really not very nice. I wouldn’t voluntarily live there. Have you considered a village in that area instead?

Peterborough was voted one of the worst places to live in the uk so lots of investment going on which is a plus. As you say it is very inexpensive compared to other cities commutable from London. It's a strange city, I feel, as all the other cities I ever lived in had a university and businesses which meant lots of coming and going of different people.

Stamford over Peterborough in a heartbeat. Stamford has lots more going on, and loads of indie shops, bars and restaurants plus a an arts centre and theatre with lots on. It depends how reliant you are on pboro station really which I get. That being said pboro isn’t as bad as you might think. The cathedral is beautiful and train station very well connected.

I live near Peterborough. One of my kids ho to school there.
Given the issues around education it's beyond me how someone could contemplate voting for a party with absolutely no manifesto and massively promoting their single issue which will have a terrible effect on public sector finances.

Peterborough is actually ok for shopping. I thought it had turned a corner when it got rid of the truly awful Stewart Jackson. It had bad luck with the labour mp. I'm truly hoping Peterborough is better than voting for a Brexit MP.

Have the Brexit party actually put up a candidate for Peterborough?

Nigel is a complete narcissist who can't abide anything that actually resembles work unless it is very much in his interest.

If the Brexit doesn't happen or delayed repeatedly, nigel will stay being an MEP. Very little work, pots of cash and the opportunity to bleat on about betrayal. (I think the last he really wants is this to end as his personal gravy boat ends - I am not saying that about MEPs who actually take their position seriously).

I am not sure if Brexit happens. MPs get less money and there are higher expectations from the electorate. However, I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to shuffle into a "safe" seat if Bannon/that other idiot continues to throw money at him (the media their attention).

To try predict was nigel will do, it is best to think about what is best for nigel. His politics can be ignored.

Yep. He's a builder, apparently.

Actually he presents himself as a builder but was on the secret millionaire.

If the Brexit doesn't happen or delayed repeatedly,

If you actually monitor what NF has said over the last three years there is plenty of evidence he wants to avoid Brexit. For a start he values the EU income and pension he receives, in contrast to other MEPs he does minimal constituency business rarely attends committees etc. His aim is to Faragit not Brexit.

He shifts position. First he wanted a Norway deal, then a no deal, now he says the fight is 'no longer about the EU but about democracy.'

You'd hope his shifting policy, abject lies, and disloyalty by wanting to escape to the US would alienate him from the electorate . You'd hope the lack of work and reality 'celebrity type' status giving him income from the US, Aaron Banks, radio presenting plus his unearned EU 'salary' 'would mean he's a long way off being PM. However the people don't seem to examine the reality.

We won’t get Farage as PM, will we?!

No.

Yep. He's a builder, apparently.

He’s a serial entrepreneur who has made money in the retail industry and property development. To be fair, reading around he has done a fair bit for Peterborough and could be a good constituency MP - just a shame that he’s standing for BXP.

What does the BXP stand for apart from brexit?
Selling off the NHS, that's what they stand for. Making us a US vassal with NO say (however little say leavers think we have in the EU today, it'll be less in Washington) and no public healthcare. Yes, opening the door to them would be chlorine washed turkeys voting for Thanksgiving:

wants access to NHS in post-Brexit deal, says Trump ally

Is that not on the side of their campaign bus?

Why would someone with no MPs become PM?

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