To ask Remainers ...

[ScreamingLadySutch]

Your views?

Brexiteers were asked their reasons the other day. So I would like to ask Remainers

• what do you think will happen, and what are you so afraid of?

My concerns if Brexit happens:

• an increase in far right groups, far right political parties and xenophobia
• increased risk of war
• loss of human rights, employee rights etc if the UK ditch EU law
• inflation
• decrease in opportunities for for future generations to work and travel
• increased unemployment
• risk of a financial crash
• reduced access to products/goods/travel to Europe
• increased cost of foreign travel

Ok, I’ll bite.

I think Brexit will cause a recession and as always, we’ll blame immigrants and poor people again.

Cost of living will rise and wages will stagnate and the NHS will struggle on but eventually the tide will turn and it will collapse.

We will be poorer culturally due to lack of funding for arts projects and research.

We will lose overseas investment in our services industry over years and British business will suffer as a result.

We will need to trade with the EU but we will do it on far worse terms than we have now.

We will damage our AAA credit rating immeasurably and irreparably.

I’m afraid of all of these things, particularly since it’s entirely unnecessary.

I wanted my child to have the same opportunities as me with freedom of movement for work, travel and education.
Both me and my partner work in the corporate world (me finance and OH international logistics) We were more than aware of the financial implications upon businesses and therefore the ordinary people of changes caused by leaving.

My family have a history of farming, I am again aware of the support this industry receives from the EU.
I want to protect the NHS from privatisation.

I don't really see myself as 'British' I am a citizen of the world, I think the fact that someone drew a line on a map 100's of years ago and that we stick to it is crazy. So much us and them and not enough we. We all live on the same planet, all the same species, we should care just as much about the financial crisis in Greece as we should UK problems.

The leave campaign has promised that when we are in control of our own rules we can boost trade....my partners job has now moved to mainland Europe (so we live apart half the time). He is not alone, Amsterdam is crawling with people in his position, UK companies desperately trying to set up shop in mainland Europe to protect trade.
That is not to say that this won't change and the UK won't recover but it is a long and unknown road.

The making Britain great again argument doesn't hold true with me. The world is a completely different place now. It is a global economy. We are no longer a manufacturing industry heavy country- we can't keep up with the overseas competition. We are a service industry country (finance, technology etc) isolating ourselves does not bode well for these industries.

This is where I sit, this is my opinion, I have researched both sides and I know there are plenty of potential benefits to leaving too...on the balance of things though I am in the remain camp.

A loss of industry and companies as they move to mainland Europe.

Loss of masses of funding and labour for various projects including scientific research, which the UK has been a global leader in and will be no more.

Loss of freedom of movement rights for our citizens.

Difficulties with borders and trade causing issues for all businesses that rely on just-in-time delivery.

Worse trade deals from negotiating as one country instead of a large bloc.

The already occurring emboldening of racists and far right populists.

Loss of rights for the EU citizens that made this country their home.

Our darling leaders using the opportunity to reduce workers rights.

Potential economic problems or even recession.

Increase in inequality between the wealthy able to shoulder the increased costs of goods and services and those not.

Issues with Northern Ireland which everyone knows already.

I could go on...

Amongst other things, Leave-supporting politicians being in charge without any of the checks and balances provided by the relative sanity of the EU. Leave supporting politicians in particular have shown themselves to be lying, corrupt, incompetent and deluded. Prepared to say anything to make themselves richer. Leave voters are crazy to support them.

All our own industries will collapse because tarriffs on exports will be too high. Our world leading research will dininish because we will lose reseaarch grants and investment. Leading academics and projects will move abroad. Out NHS will collapse due to staff shortage and economic downturn. We will have to import goods at the cheapest rates, and have no controls over standards, so meat and grain etc will come fom deforeseted areas of the amazon, hello chorunated chicken etc.
As our country’s talent is drained more and more businesses will move from london to other world cities, the super-rich (including most Tory Brexiteers) won’t be touched as most of their money is abroad anyway, but poverty and inequality will rise in the UK, as will anger and far-right politics.
Within a century our nation could be inrecognisable.

Sorry for all the typos

Pringlefan said it better than me

Voted remain because it seemed logical and sensible. The economy is still recovering post recession we are not despite our inflated sense of sense the same country in terms of influence that we were and the influence we do have has been earned through making balanced and careful diplomatic decisions and appearing like a rational voice at the table. The EU offered protection and we are not in the strongest position. So even if I can sympathise with some of the reasons people voted leave, the timing could not have been worse and surely that’s a no brainer. Also I like being in the EU, free movement between countries and selfishly would have lived to live/work abroad which will now be a lot harder. I can’t see the benefits of leaving in any way as EU bureaucracy will be replaced with less regulated UK bureaucracy. I can understand people rioting more than people who voted leave - at lest you can repair and replace damage stock and windows. How on earth can you repair cutting yourself loose from one of the largest trading blocks. And human rights protections that Raab etc would like to bin. Oh well time will tell!

I have a thousand reasons for thinking we should be in the Eu but the main reason for voting remain is that to leave the EU means taking a massive risk and likely suffering real short and medium hardship for no tangible benefit.

To make such a massive constitutional change, there would need to be really strong reasons for leaving which I don't think there were and clear goals and reward for doing so which there aren't, apart from this vague idea of sovereignty and nationalism.

I think Scottish people have a massive sense of national pride but I suspect that a large number of those who voted no to independence did so because it was taking a huge risk for an ideal which wasn't as important as security for themselves and their families. The UK has far more independence within the EU than Scotland does within the UK and yet we are jumping off a cliff for what?

Free for all on all safety and trading standards rules that are currently in place.
US is just poised to take over the UK by stealth.
China will probably pop in and suggest the UK as a staging post on its trans-world highway.

Just off the top of my head:

Medicine shortage
Shortage of food
Shortage of fuel
Loss of workers rights
More difficult to travel and work in Europe
The break up of the United Kingdom

I personally feel that the country has become far more bigoted since the referendum. Lots of people have used it as an excuse to become quite openly racist. I live in an area that overwhelmingly voted leave and I see it all the time on social media, comments that they wouldnt have dared air publicly beforehand. But now they think it's OK. They are very aggressive in their debate style as well, usually resorting to insults and abuse when challenged and presented with facts.

Medicine shortage - these already occur occasionally leaving me short of medicines I need to.. not die! The thought of them happening regularly fills me with dread.

Food shortage. We cannot produce all the food we need anyway, cutting trade links to those we rely on for food is.. bloody stupid.

Fuel shortage.

Massive increase in living costs - mine are already higher than the average persons as I am disabled.

Will those do?

Worry about rise of the far right
My dad is from Germany
I want my children to have the opportunities that freedom of movement brings.
I currently would rather have stronger links with the EU than the USA for example.
Concerns about how the nhs will cope without EU workers
The area I live in has benefitted considerably from EU funding.

My biggest concern is that it seems to have given a voice to a minority of people who now feel they have the right to air their racist views.

We live in quite a white British area. My husband is from the eu and although he speaks fluent English he has a strong accent. We have often had complete strangers making comments to us since this whole brexit thing began.

Example. Whilst in the supermarket, cashier asked if we wanted help packing our bags. Man behind us in the queue says “yeah, packing their bags and going back to whichever country they came from”

Another example. He was on the phone to his DM who’s quite poorly (she does not live in the uk). Old woman on the table next to us in the cafe: “people like them make me glad I voted leave. They need to learn to speak goddamned English”

I agree with so much of the above.

One other, smaller thing that’s not been mentioned unless I missed it is the issue of clean beaches. So many British beaches that we are now used to regarding as safe and clean were actually too polluted for swimming before the EU regulations came in and Britain was forced to deal with this.

I am old enough to remember the difference, and I’ll be sad if things slide back to how they were.

Not so much 'afraid of', as clearly evidenced by empirically-observed phenomena as to how people with investment in this country are re-directing this at a rate.

And of course all of the above reasons.

We don't 'fear' WTO rules, much in the same way as next doors cat doesn't fear a tyre blow out on a motor way. It hasn't the slightest clue what it means. Just like Brexiters who trot this line out either A. have not a fucking clue or B. think it will all be alright, for them as beneficiaries of a plunging pound.

The real threat of a massive recession and all the unrest and extremes that go with such times.
Aligning with the US against Europe (and the ruthless extreme capitalism it would entail). I know and like the US, wouldn't want to live there unless I was a millionaire.

And the NHS will be gone. Not a 'fear' as large chunks are already being given over to U.S. companies. This will accelerate under Brexit. And millions believe shite slogans and NOT observable fact.

Not so much 'afraid of', as clearly evidenced by empirically-observed phenomena as to how people with investment in this country are re-directing this at a rate.

And of course all of the above reasons.

We don't 'fear' WTO rules, much in the same way as next doors cat doesn't fear a tyre blow out on a motor way. It hasn't the slightest clue what it means. Just like Brexiters who trot this line out either A. have not a fucking clue or B. think it will all be alright, for them as beneficiaries of a plunging pound.

Yy to every word of this, MrPan.

Oh the people who cry laughing at the thought of war will be along soon to share their mirth

At the moment, my concern is that if a pro-no deal brexiteer, such as Boris Johnson ends up leading us out of the EU without a trade deal, he will also be in charge in the months following, when we really need someone extremely sensible to help deal with the resulting disruption and also to then negotiate deals with other countries. Based on his performance as foreign secretary and in the leave campaign, I simply do not trust him to do that.

I can only tell you my immediate concerns. If he doesn't end up PM, my concerns will still be there but they will be slightly different.

The reason I voted remain isn't because I am terrified of the consequence of Brexit though. I just believe that we are stronger and better together. I felt the same about the Scottish referendum too.

I live in mainland Europe. Brexit is a costly pain in the arse already and it hasn't even happened yet.

My main concern is Northern Ireland. There is such strong resistance to the backstop idea and a hard border would break the GFA. What would the DUP and other Brexiteers do instead? The peace was hard won and I’d hate to think of there being a return to the troubles.

A massive economic downturn

A huge rise in the cost of food

A mass exodus of big companies (which has already begun) and huge job losses, destroying communities

Eradication of human and workers rights, likely accompanied by further expansion of the gig economy as secure jobs get harder to come by

Mass deregulation of business which will have huge consequences (like loss of consumer rights), further widening the gap between the rich and poor.

Increased Xenophobia and racism

EU citizens being treated as second class citizens when they've lived here for years and have families - look at how the Home Office are already treating them

Recruitment crises in the NHS as EU workers leave

Problems and restrictions with travel abroad - needing visas etc and having to pay health insurance

A genuine crisis in the import/export markets as existing trade deals cease and no new ones are in place, massive legal consequences, manufacturers and farmers unable to sell goods, supermarkets struggling to get supplies.

Poor food and product safety when we are forced to accept low quality imports from the US as we will have no negotiating power on trade

A further escalation in right wing politics now they feel 'justified'

Restrictions on medical supplies having real human costs

Fucking Nigel Farage as PM. If you're watching Years and Years - that's what I see happening here after Brexit. He's already set up an undemocratic party with him as autocrat - "running it like a company" in his own words. He is therefore a CEO who dictates, and is not elected.

I get that people voted Brexit for emotional reasons. However the practical consequences are terrifying and will ruin lives. I can't understand voting for that.