To ask Remainers ...

[ScreamingLadySutch]

Your views?

Brexiteers were asked their reasons the other day. So I would like to ask Remainers

• what do you think will happen, and what are you so afraid of?

{The European elections, which should never have happened, were an endorsement of leave.}

Incorrect. The UK participating in EU elections is a sign that the UK government is failing.
Democracy means it is permissible to change your mind otherwise it would be a dictatorship.
A dictatorship in itself is not a 'bad' thing on the proviso that it is carried out with the intentions of the best for everyone. Granted that once dictators are in power they tend to like and then abuse the power.
Those who voted leave have, after 3 years not managed to say HOW the UK will be better by being out of the democratic EU, which only has remits in certain areas over UK governance.

Who has changed their mind??

Well clearly not you or the OP, but that’s based on some kind of blinkered view of the reality of Brexit.

It’s completely ridiculous to still be operating under the illusion that just because we don’t want a border and the EU don’t want a border then there won’t be a border.

If you don’t believe anyone has changed their mind then why are you afraid of a people’s vote?

As for thinking the EU elections confirmed the wish to leave - I’d love to hear how you reached that conclusion?

Leave voters are on v dodgy ground if claiming they are more democratic. The ONLY reason we have not left yet is because leave supporting politicians cannot agree how we should leave. It is not the fault of remainers. If leave supporters can come up with a way of leaving that they all support and none of them will moan about, then I will be amazed. Remainers are more or less in consensus about how they want to remain!

Also, who knows 'the exact reality of what it entails'? Do you? Are you going to enlighten us.

Nothing has changed except we've seen the intransigence of the EU and the inability of Parliament or government to deliver what the majority voted for, but that doesn't mean we now know 'the exact reality'?

The reaction of Remainers has been unbelievable and, as someone living in NI, has writ large for me the class snobbery that exists in England. We are leaving on October 31st and the government seem to recognise the need to do this to honour democracy. There is everything logical about it and nothing 'beyond basic'.

Leave voters don't have to prove how the UK will be better off. The majority decision must be followed at any cost. This is now the biggest reason to leave.

Dictatorship? Who is trying to dictate to whom?

“the government seem to recognise the need to do this to honour democracy”

Why haven’t we left yet then? It’s because of leavesupporting politicians! They can’t agree on how they want to leave

PMSL, that’s about right really, twisting words to suit your narrative -I didn’t say the ‘exact reality’ I said the ‘actual reality’

No one knows ‘exactly’ what will happen but they do know that we can’t leave with the same deal we have minus the bits we don’t like.

We do know what the price of prioritising FOM above all else allows us to achieve.

And it’s not the ‘easiest deal’ in history that we were told it was.

Leavers are so desperate to blame remainers and the EU for everything that goes wrong that they can’t see that the “sabotaging” of brexit is from their own side.

I’m can’t see any benefit of leaving the EU, I’ve not heard any reasonable argument.
I don’t understand how we can have ‘control over our borders’ with an open border with Ireland, I just can’t see how it won’t become a huge problem.
We have a free trade agreement with the biggest trading bloc in the world, why would we walk away from that?

We are leaving on October 31st

If you believe that’s true then why didn’t we leave on 29th Match or 12th April?

What’s going to be different on 31st October?

Actually, I do realise that Leave MPs have sabotaged the Brexit process and endangered it. Theresa May told them that repeatedly. Both the extremists like Mogg and people in her own cabinet like Hammond.

Our MPs have behaved disgracefully.

We'll have a new PM and all the candidates have said we are leaving. Thank goodness.

Leave voters don't have to prove how the UK will be better off. The majority decision must be followed at any cost. This is now the biggest reason to leave.

The fact that the Referendum happened is now constantly used to justify the Referendum. There seems to be so little discussion on the effects leaving such a powerful bloc will have on trade, the economy, geopolitics, national security. None of these things seem to matter any more.

Leave voters don't have to prove how the UK will be better off. The majority decision must be followed at any cost. This is now the biggest reason to leave.

That’s quite possibly the most ridiculous, and probably scarily representative, comment I’ve ever heard from a Leaver.

I really hope it costs you significantly.

What is ‘any cost’ in reality? Are you happy with an increase in the cost of living, losing your job, your kids not being able to find jobs?

When does ‘any cost’ become too much?

We'll have a new PM and all the candidates have said we are leaving. Thank goodness

TM said we were leaving

Oh the irony of someone living in solidly Remain voting N Ireland to maintain the only democratic course is to leave. Endorsed last week by N Ireland electing only Remain supportive MEPs.

They are genuinely terrified of a free-trading, global Britain that they cannot control or box in through stultifying regulations

Where is the evidence for this? The eu currently has trade deals encompassing one third of global gdp (and that was before the japan deal) most of these are on 'most favoured nation' terms.

That means that if by some miracle we find some competent negotiators and manage a better deal with one of these countries than the EU have, they have to offer the same terms to the EU.

It is simply impossible for us to establish better deals with that one third than those we have via the EU.

If we manage to identify a valuable trade partner outside those deals I'd expect the EU to notice and also start talking to them - who will get the better terms? the now 6th,soon to be 7th largest economy or the huge trading block that is the EU?

So much of brexiteer speak assumes the EU would stay still whilst we go forth and profit - why would they?
The stasis in the UK since the vote has already cost us over 2% in gdp growth relative to the EU - that will only get worse whilst this farce continues.

We do not have the option of not trading with the EU - anyone who does not understand that does not qualify to take part in the discussion. Any trade with the EU will need to meet their regulations - the suggestion we could ever be free of those again shows a basic lack of understanding.

Yes we could be a "global free trading nation" (though I thought we were - I've certainly worked in services over much of the developed world) but we would not have better trade deals - ipso fatso we'd be (significantly) worse off.

“When does ‘any cost’ become too much?”

How many people dying in NI as a result of re-ignited troubles are too many for leavers?

"What saddens me is that so few can think beyond the economy to the bigger picture."

What is the bigger picture?

The economy is what pays for public services - NHS, education, welfare etc. All the stuff my family relies upon.

{Nothing has changed except we've seen the intransigence of the EU}

Another lie!
When the UK, through the referendum said it wished to leave the EU, it AUTOMATICALLY triggers the need for a 'Withdrawal Agreement', something that gives legal process to all the treaties that exist between the UK and the EU. This is exactly the same principle as your gym or any other membership. You would hand back any items belonging to the Gym or whatever.
The UK failed to produce a WA that was sufficiently detailed, so the EU did a bulk of the hard work as it involves getting agreement from all the EU27. Around 580 pages worth of aspects that will need negotiation.
Seeing as the EU understood that leaving would mean a border would be necessary for NI (and less contentiously Gibraltar), they added a backstop plan. As EU membership is financed on a 5 year plan, where the benefits are paid for, the 'value' (price) for the remaining 2 (?) years (from when A50 was triggered) was agreed (£39 Billion or thereabouts). Lastly as there are so many (3 Million) EU residing in the UK, and about 1.5 Million UK residing in the EU, the citizens rights require to be protected.
Thus far, ONLY the exit bill is a 'financial' deal. Citizens rights and the border issue are to protect people.
When the WA is signed, the actual negotiations may start.
This is not intransigence, this is legally binding negotiation. Thus far, after 3 years, the UK has not made it to the 'start' line of negotiations.
Failure to understand, or deliberately lie about aspects of this seems rather common among leavers and many members of the HoC.

I strongly believe as a small country with a mostly service based economy, we are better together as part of the EU. I’m not saying the EU is perfect, but what ever is. That's about it. I'm worried about no deal because of lamb export problems. Otherwise things will work out.

They are genuinely terrified of a free-trading, global Britain that they cannot control or box in through stultifying regulations

I get that this has all the hallmarks of stirring leaver rhetoric.

But it doesn’t stand up to any kind of scrutiny.

Why? Why would they be afraid? What does the UK have to offer other countries that they don’t?

The EU is an immensely powerful trading block with great trading links across the world.

The UK alone is just some small nation with nothing in particular other countries want.

When the UK started preliminary talks with Japan they were told that the UK isn’t a priority - the EU is. Why would that be any different for anyone else?

{Thus far, after 3 years, the UK has not made it to the 'start' line of negotiations.}

And not only this, the UK can't agree with itself what it actually wants.
If the UK does not know what it wants, how can it ask and negotiate for it?

I'm not afraid as I have an Irish and British passport.

Others are not so cushioned though. I wouldn't mind if the exit was going smoothly, talks were going at a pace and security and peace of mind was paramount. However, this is far from the case.

I'd like reassurance that the Good Friday Agreement is upheld and that peace continues in Northern Ireland.

Ultimately though, I think Brexit will result in the dissolution of the Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

I think under a no deal scenario job losses will happen very quickly in Brexit voting areas; and I am not sure those in Government will care. They are likely to say it is a price worth paying to take back control. However, that won’t put food on the table or pay the bills.