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[RedToothBrush]

Well.

Thats a surprise!

If we had never been in the EU politics wouldn't be so screwed up.

If you want a good reason for Labour and Conservatives wanting to leave the EU, getting rid of proportional representation elections is a very good reason from their pov!!!

Graham Brady has a lot to think about this morning....

John McDonnell MP
@johnmcdonnellMP
So people are absolutely clear what I am saying.Of course I want a general election. But I realise how difficult this is to secure.I will do anything I can to block no deal Brexit. So yes if,as likely GE not possible, then I support going back to the people in another referendum

@Dongdingdong
Some posters on here seem to be rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
At least you admit we're on the Titanic. Surely a different ship would be better?

Oh FFS why is JM still saying that? It's wishy washy and kinda tantrumy.

Just a reminder that our future PM once said Brexit would be a Titanic success.

Morning! I see I’ve already missed half a thread (I was on an overnight ferry with no WiFi). I’m currently basking in the Dutch sun and catching up on the results.

My region is East of England. Considering how Brexity some parts are, I’m fairly happy with the results - 2xLibDems and 1xGreen (instead of 2xTories and 1xLabour) and 3xUKIP replaced with 3xBrexit (I feared they’d get a 4th seat).

At least you admit we're on the Titanic

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I’m depressed because I thought there might be a hidden remain vote. One which didn’t vote in the ref because they never thought we’d loose and who would get out and vote. But no

Had drinks with the class mums on Saturday and the talk turned to voting. Only I and one other mum had voted. The rest (12 or so) seemed confused about who to vote for and hadn’t bothered one kept repeating ‘it’s not about Brexit’ and most agreed. If I had to guess I’d say the majority of these people would vote remain. But they obviously don’t see it as important enough to get out and vote.

I just had another positive thought... the UKIPpers will now desert the sinking ship to join the Faragists.

When stuff like that happens they end up in internecine strife and even physical fights.Remember all that potential leader Stephen Woolfe punching some one or being punched etc?

Just wanted a chat about Havering's results:
Havering (London) result:

Brex: 47.6% (+47.6)
LDem: 12.2% (+10.3)
Lab: 11.2% (-4.4)
Con: 9.9% (-14.8)
Grn: 7.0% (+2.6)
UKIP: 5.4% (-38.2)

This was a 70% Leave area. Hard Brexit parties only got 53%. Even if you add the Cons into the leave vote which given 2 of their MPs are hardline ERGers, that's only 62.9%. We realised yesterday that given how at odds we are with London in this generally, what we'd seen at the count was going to be pretty epic for the rest of London.

nothing has really changed since 2016

leave with no deal Brexit and UKIP
leave with a deal Tories and 33% labour

remain Lib Dem Change UK
remain with small caveats Green, Plaid and SNP
( approx a third of SNP voters want complete independence and voted Brexit they may well have voted for Brexit in Scotland who knows)
this is still almost 50/50 with may be 2-3 % either way if there was another referendum the result would still be incredibly close and could go either way to be honest no one actually knows anything beyond that; leave and remain are neck and neck and it is impossible to accurately forecast an outcome there is no comfort for either side to suggest that there has been any fundamental movement in popular opinion one way or the other

The Pro-Leave media led by the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation seem determined to spin this as anything but a resounding majority for Remain.

I am slightly heartened by this:

Why did the remain party change UK do do badly?

The BP really only got 3 extra seats. Repackage of the Kippers. With all donations to Nigel's company in 500 PayPal bundles. It wasn't much extra considering goodness knows what dosh and soapbox airtime.

However, the take on it being made by the likes of Boris is irritating me, the idea that the floor was wiped by the Tories being because we haven't left the EU yet.

Well, how about the number of erstwhile Tory voters who voted, maybe with a clothes-peg over their nose- for a Remain party because, although true-blue to their roots, they don't want to Brexit?

Agree entirely with Red that the vote can clearly be linked to austerity.
Some regions, like Sunderland for example, have felt ignored for so long now. The Westminster bubble doesn't care and doesn't wish to. Hence feeling disenfranchised / 'lashing out' via Brexit vote in 2016 and again now.
Unless we begin to address the widening inequality in this country then the problems, which Brexit are only a representation of, will continue to worsen.
It's going to be a very bumpy ride :(

OhLookHeKickedTheBall the BBC showed last night that the Lib Dems got a 24% rise in strong leave areas.

Why did the remain party change UK do do badly?

I was so enthusiastic about them initially but then was really disappointed with how they voted during the Indicitive votes in Parliament. I can’t remember the details but they really showed that they were not for compromise at all.

I voted Lib Dem.

Yet again the 'results' are near meaningless as with 'Brexit means Brexit' it is ALL wishy washy and can be interpreted even by simpletons to mean absolutely anything.

If it wasn't for the lies that would be told there should be a simple in/out question. :

To leave the EU will cause your standard of living (equivalent pay) to fall by 10%. It will mean widespread job losses and the UK will not recover and 'break even' for 10 years. Would you like to leave or remain in the EU?
Or something like this.
Obviously too simplistic, although could well be a likely scenario.

ChUK:

• very difficult for new parties in the U.K. esp when they overlap politically with other parties. See: the social democrats.
• not professional enough - poor PR and branding, too many early gaffs
• not left enough to attract Green and many Labour voters
• not clear enough on Brexit or professional enough to attract strongly pro-remain pro-business Tories
• Lib Dem's grabbed "bollocks to Brexit" (inspired decision that I was initially sceptical about) and made themselves the de facto hard remain party

None of this is very surprising with the benefit of the retrospectoscope.

Sorry for stray Apple-generated apostrophe

{Why did the remain party change UK do do badly?}
Because having made a move from their original party they went to sleep and employed 25 year old 'thinking' and failed to enthuse anyone.