No Deal Brexit - Bring it on

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It’s economic suicide but there’s clearly no other way to demonstrate to Leavers what a shit show this all is.

Leavers resolutely refuse to listen to anything negative after 3 years, so fuck it.

I feel for those who woukd be affected by it but I didn’t cause it.

The irony is there’s not a Tory MP with the guts he cone PM and then to do it - so this mess will go on indefinitely.

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Sadly I think you might be right.

It’s like ripping off a plaster except you take the whole country with it as you peel it off.

I am inclined to agree.

A lot of people need the slapping that's coming.

Unfortunately, all boats fall in a falling tide.

My understanding is that the purpose of No Deal is as a point from which to move forwards with a fair trade agreement with the EU (and other nations) which finally removes the attempts to sabotage the negotiation process by those in government dreaming of revoking Article 50. Are there really Brexiteers calling for No Deal to be a permanent state of affairs?

Are there really Brexiteers calling for No Deal to be a permanent state of affairs?

I don't know about public figures. But the people in the street? Yes.

I don't know about public figures. But the people in the street? Yes.

Someone now has to deliver this to them, and when things subsequently turn to shit, will have to deal with it personally as it’ll then be then seen as their fault. Theres the problem.

Nonono! It's very tempting to say fuck it, have your ridiculous no deal but we won't truly recover and Lord only knows how hostile forces might try and destabilise the country even further whilst we're vulnerable!

From what I’ve read, most of the PM candidates have said that a no deal Brexit is a starting point for negotiations with EU.
Thé EU have been pretty transparent and said they don’t want a No Deal Brexit but are prepared for it if it happens.

No I am horrified for my children’s future. I genuinely feel ill looking at Farage and cannot fathom how anyone can vote for him.

I'm NW England. 3 for the Brexhitters. 2 + 1 = 3 for clear Remain parties. 2 for Fucknose Labour. I'd call that a majority for a second referendum. At least.

The trouble is, the resulting shitshow won't be blamed on No Deal. It will be spun as being caused by Remainers who didn't support it properly, and politicians who didn't get the 'right' No Deal.

We are just utterly fucked.

No Deal is a terrifying prospect. It would almost certainly lead to the break up of the UK (Irish reunification referendum and Indy 2 for Scotland). Now much as I'd personally love Scotland to become independent, I really really don't want to see the rest of the UK fucked in order to gain that independence.

No Deal is the worst option of all the fairly shitty options tbh. I don't want to see an entire generation left economically screwed in order to prove a point to the hardline Brexiteers, who probably won't be the ones who feel it worst.

I'm in NI, so no thank you very much. Not so much economic suicide as actual suicide. Quite like not living in a warzone.

MindyStClaire I'm guessing a lot of the concerns (genuine ones!) in NI aren't being widely shared in the rest of the UK. What's the take on it where you are if you don't mind me asking?

I think the lack of consideration for the GFA and attitude towards the NI border is appalling and about the most shameful thing about the whole Brexit carry on.

It’s like ripping off a plaster except you take the whole country with it as you peel it off.

More like ripping off a plaster and then doing it again and again over a number of years.

InTheHeatofLisbon I'm far from an expert, but... Leaving on no deal means the UK and EU have to monitor their borders with each other somehow. That's an impossibility in Ireland - politically and logistically. I'm not originally from NI and only found out in the last few years that the way it was achieved before was that lots of the small roads that cross the border (there's hundreds) were just blown up. Not by terrorists, by the British army. That's unbelievable to me.

Even if there was somehow some fudge that meant no visible border (and, spoiler alert, no such thing exists otherwise it would've been agreed by now), no deal will mean the question of reunification comes up for real.

Reunification is often tossed about in these threads like it's a little thing but I can tell you NI is in no way ready for that to be a serious discussion yet. There will be bloodshed.

Also, the UK doesn't get to just decide "ok, done now!" and hand NI back if we vote for reunification - ROI also has to vote. I'm originally from ROI and I just don't think they're economically strong enough to take NI on yet, so it's yet another way the UK would screw ROI over with no deal.

Basically, Brexit is categorically bad for NI (although the EU's very generous offer of NI being in the customs union and single market and GB not could've been a massive chance for us) but no deal disastrous.

Mindy I agree with you but there are DUP No dealers.

Yeah there are nutty. I will never think that's a smart view to take. Especially if you're unionist!

Thanks Mindy, that all makes sense. I didn't mean to be flippant mentioning reunification, I mentioned it as it never seems to cross people's minds that other parts of the UK aren't England and that seems to be a common misconception.

I hate that NI was forgotten during the campaigns and the vote. The impact on those of you who live there doesn't bear thinking about and I say that as someone who won't have to live with it.

People somehow just thought that NI/Ireland would fall in line and do as they were told, without considering the complexity and danger of that attitude.

If we leave with no deal, when it all goes tits up, Brexiteers will blame it all on the EU anyway.

Thanks Lisbon.

From Gronky:
{My understanding is that the purpose of No Deal is as a point from which to move forwards with a fair trade agreement with the EU }

This is TOTAL delusion. The UK has the 'best deal' with the EU (and by membership up to 70 countries) and what is more, the UK has one of the best deals of all the EU28 for which several other countries are distinctly unhappy.
The very best deal available is the one the UK says it wants to walk away from.

The majority in NI voted to remain, and it is largely the DUP that say they want to leave. The fact that Westminster has largely ignored the majority in NI is appalling.

I think it silly to think leavers think it’s going to be all rosey. Of course it’s not, but we’re in it for the long gain, not the short.

EU members and some postal voters were prevented from voting so it wasn't a legitimate election.

{EU members and some postal voters were prevented from voting so it wasn't a legitimate election.}

Just like the referendum in 2016 then.