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Westministenders: The One Where Everyone is an Election Expert For 3 Days

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RedToothBrush · 24/05/2019 17:40

The Vote has been cast.

The PM has quit. SHOCK!

We now face The Big Wait.

Waiting for the results. Waiting for the new leader. Waiting for a new direction.

Turnout looks likely to be up overall compared to 2014. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing isn't clear.

At this stage realistically the only definite thing that I think you can actually speculate is the LDs have done very well indeed. Turnout is up in all traditional LD areas and remain areas in general. Though some LDs are getting a little carried away.

Does this mean that the Brexit Party will do badly? No. Its merely a reflection of demographic polarisation. And it may indeed help the Brexit Party ironically. It does suggest that Labour hasn't done well in the north (difference with 2014 turnouts worst in Labour areas) and there are hints that the Cons have done badly (Lincolnshire turnout for the locals was lower than for the EU elections). Something is happening in Wales. But no one seems to really understand what. Its gone 'rogue'!

Plus there are far more leave areas than remain ones. The increases in turnout possibly aren't enough to make a significant dent on the Brexit Party lead.

Not much of an increase in turnout in places like Derby, Middlesbrough, Hartlepool, Basildon, Leigh - which all have high leave figures suggest that the Brexit Party are not motivated those they persuaded to the polls for the first time in 2016 for the Ref to vote. Instead it means they can only increase their vote share with a further collapse in the Lab / Con vote from 2014. The question with this is how close were UKIP to the ceiling vote? If you didn't go with UKIP in 2014 would the ref change that? Does this mark it harder for them to hit close to 38% vote share? Argueably yes - but don't get too excited yet either. It doesn't mean they won't do very well, if there is a Lab/Con vote collaspe like the locals. I still would not be surprised by a mid-thirties result.

Psychologically the popular vote matters. This might be important for the future. The vote of those extra referedum voters hasn't been motivated by another protest vote under Farage. Who is going to try and court them? This affects the direction of all the parties.

The real issue is how the seats split down. With the vote fragmented between the LDs, Greens, Plaid and SNP the ranking is against them. And works for the Brexit Party.

Meanwhile Boris Johnson has vowed to crash the UK out the EU without a deal.... what internal numbers is he aware of???

Results due after 10pm Sunday.

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BestIsWest · 26/05/2019 21:36

Plaid think they have possibly beaten Labour in Wales. Massive for them if true.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 21:38

peregrina Yes, SF are Remain
Looks like Greens just hoovering up Remain votes

I hope the non-sectarian Alliance Party do well in NI though and take the UUP seat;
they have a good candidate there

They did very well in the locals, while the UUP - and all Unionist parties - lost seats.

HazardGhost · 26/05/2019 21:39

Surprised at the greens possible hoovering are they really active in campaigning in some areas?

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 21:41

Across the EU, the big story looks to be the rise of the Greens (pro-Remain)

Climate Change will be an even bigger issue in the new EP

Expect fireworks, as the far right oppose climate change measures and ridicule climate change campaigners
The far right & the Greens are total opposites

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 21:42

Projections for whole of European Parliament seem to show that the liberals and greens will now hold balance of power. The social Democrats and EPP won't have a majority. The far right aren't the story, which is what everyone is worried about. Farage and Co can piss off!!!

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RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 21:43

Alex Wickham@alexwickham
In Kensington the LibDems think they are on close to 40%

Brexit and Labour vying for second place

Tories in 4th or 5th... in 2014 this was their strongest London borough with 42%

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Littlespaces · 26/05/2019 21:43

I would really like Molly in the SW (Green) to retain her seat.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 21:43

In the UK, Greens look look to be taking Labour votes

In Germany, Greens also took SPD votees

HagridsBigToe · 26/05/2019 21:45

Lots of Greens in EU parliament will be good. We need action on climate change. Where better to start than the biggest political bloc in the world?

Peregrina · 26/05/2019 21:45

Only 15 minutes until the polls close, so if exit polls were done, it would be good to see them published.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 21:46

I had been hoping the Greens would come through across the EU,
because they look to be the most promising grouping that can answer the wish for change & reform
and fight off hte far right

Looks good 🙂

Quintella · 26/05/2019 21:47

In Ireland Greens are taking votes from everyone.

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 21:47

Alex Wickham@alexwickham
Labour 4th in Wales says Lib Dem source

Brexit
Plaid
LDs
Labour

Wales.

WALES

I told you they had gone rogue!

I wasn't wrong about that!

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Peregrina · 26/05/2019 21:48

I hope too that the Greens taking seats is a sign that younger people are engaging. They are the future not Trump and Farage and Little Englanders.

SwedishEdith · 26/05/2019 21:49

Surprised at the greens possible hoovering are they really active in campaigning in some areas?

People are just paying attention, aren't they? Climate change is actually bigger than Brexit.

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 21:49

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Labour’s collapse tonight could be every bit as bad as they fear, from campaign anecdotes. In Chesterfield, I’m told Labour activists quietly defected in the last week to start handing out Lib Dem leaflets.

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Quintella · 26/05/2019 21:49

Lots of Greens in EU parliament will be good. We need action on climate change. Where better to start than the biggest political bloc in the world?

Absolutely.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 21:50

Yep, Welsh polls had Plaid doing v well, taking votes from Labour, who were doing badly, 4th or 5th even

I just hope the polls over-estimated the Faragists

HoneysuckIejasmine · 26/05/2019 21:50

Gosh, I've got a little flame of hope growing in me. I'm in SW + Gib so hoping for a good remain party showing despite living in a leave area.

Quintella · 26/05/2019 21:50

Labour 4th in Wales! Ooooooooffff.

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 21:50

Yaxley-Milkshakeface has conceded defeat in the NW.

Already!!!!!

Bahahaha!

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SusanWalker · 26/05/2019 21:51

I think the brexit party will fall apart as we move towards Oct. They will have to come up with a manifesto and I suspect NF will want to write it himself (why else set up a party with no members), and the people they have standing are pretty disparate on non brexit issues.

Violetparis · 26/05/2019 21:52

Yay !!! Smile at Yaxley Lennon news !!!

Quintella · 26/05/2019 21:52

Would have been intolerable to have sniffy jaw-gurning Yaxley Lennon in the EP.

woman19 · 26/05/2019 21:52

Yaxley-Milkshakeface has conceded defeat in the NW
Woo hoo!

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