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Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise

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RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 22:31

In the beginning there was this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1

And it said:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

And

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

So what of where we stand and the poison chalice of the Tory Leadership and a deal.

According to a poll of Tory Members, Johnson is by far their runaway favourite to become next leader. And he's given a 61% competence score - higher than any other candidate.

With Raab as their second favourite.

May has successfully managed to make such a mess of how she handled the 2016 Tory Party Conference and everything that subsequently stemmed from that, that the poison chalice of leadership will be passed and sooner than many would have wanted.

However blame for what follows can be laid at her feet. At the Labour Party’s feet for ending talks that were never going anyway. At the EU. And No Deal has been detoxified by May's handling amongst many supporters of Brexit. Johnson and Raab will therefore have no interest in striking a deal with the EU and instead set sail for exit on 31st Oct and will brazen it out.

What is scary is that waiting in the wings is Farage, who without winning a single seat in the HoC has more power than any MP. They are all so afraid of him. Thus we face a very hard push to the right, with the left and centre in disarray and disorganisation.

The Human Rights Act and Devolution settlements will be top of the list to go.

And we will face draconian ways to control the population as the lazy fools will want no accountability to the press or the courts.

How long before appointed or elected judges?

Was Boris outmanoeuvred?

By the look of it, absolutely not. He just had to wait a few years. But his path and power will not be lead by him... But by those who pull his strings.

It looks bleak. Very bleak.

Many may rue the day they didn't vote for May's deal yet...

... And fear of this nightmare vision of the future is the only card May has left in her hand to play. Will anyone realise this?

Probably not, because they will all still think Johnson's leadership bid will be blocked by moderates. The trouble is he's polling well and the cowards are too busy looking over their shoulders at the turquoise arrows.

Pray for a shock result next week which brings fewer Brexit Party seats than are anticipated. The trouble is they have the momentum right now and Remainers don't know their arses from their elbows much less be passion and inspiring to the young and to women.

We are fucked.

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RedToothBrush · 22/05/2019 20:30

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
No10 were given no warning about Leadsom going. Most definitely a hostile act.

...but Leadsom rang the PM to tell her she was quitting 30 minutes before she made it public. Appears May didn't then tell her senior staff.

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greenelephantscarf · 22/05/2019 20:31

I enjoyed eurovision more tbh.
I had the luxury of choice of country to vote in ad have already sent out my postal vote ages ago.

GeistohneGrenzen · 22/05/2019 20:31

Tanith

So glad to see the back of Leadsome - spending more time with her jam pots, is she?

...might not be. Didn't RTB quote a while back
@joncraig
Very senior MP tells me the word from the Cabinet corridor in the HoC is that the PM will resign tonight, Andrea Leadsom is poised to resign to launch a leadership bid, others may also resign & David Lidington will take over as acting PM. Unconfirmed!

RedToothBrush · 22/05/2019 20:33

Patrick MaGuire @ patrickkmaguire
A senior government source, still loyal to May, eyeballs the gallows and cracks one last gag. "Now one member of the pizza club is gone, let's hope Andrea doesn't create a Domino's effect."

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Iambuffy · 22/05/2019 20:36

Anyone know when EP results come in?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 22/05/2019 20:36

Good for your ds Tanith!!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 22/05/2019 20:37

Sunday night Buffy,

ContinuityError · 22/05/2019 20:39

DippyAvocado thanks, but unfortunately he’s 500 miles away (hence the postal vote).

ContinuityError · 22/05/2019 20:46

Do we think the odds on a 2019 GE are shortening or lengthening?

Shortening a bit - currently about 9/5.

Don’t look at the Farage specials though Confused

Drasticaction · 22/05/2019 20:50

I had chats with my DC. Too young to vote. I'm teaching them to always question the motives of whose trying to persuade you what.

I told her it would be disaster for democracy if all children grow up and can be persuaded who too vote for by parents or indoctrination from elsewhere.

Tanith · 22/05/2019 20:58

“Andrea Leadsom is poised to resign to launch a leadership bid, ”

Shock Surely she can’t be that self-deluded?! The only person I can think is less suitable is Chris Grayling - we’re not just scraping the bottom of the murky barrel, there: we’ve gone through the boards!

ContinuityError · 22/05/2019 21:01

Cui bono is useful to bear in mind for all sorts of things.

Iambuffy · 22/05/2019 21:01

Do they do exit pills??

greenelephantscarf · 22/05/2019 21:02

Do they do exit pills??

you mean to calm nerves?

woman19 · 22/05/2019 21:03

Do they do exit pills
Hope so.Wink

DadDadDad · 22/05/2019 21:03

As long as I don't have to take the turquoise pill, Iambuffy. Grin

NoWordForFluffy · 22/05/2019 21:04

Damn, I miss out on pills due to my postal vote! Sad

DadDadDad · 22/05/2019 21:05

I knew I'd have to be quick to get in a quip on pills. Confused

I assume the results have to wait until Sunday because of other countries voting until then? Does that mean exit polls are banned until then?

Iambuffy · 22/05/2019 21:05

Ha!

Pills and polls!

RedToothBrush · 22/05/2019 21:08

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3592843-Westminstenders-One-Pepperoni-Pizza-Please-And-a-Milkshake-To-Go?watched=1

New thread.

There's been much suggestion that there are a lot of Tory MPs intending to stand for leadership not because they want the job, but because they want to use it as leverage for a cabinet position. Eg, I'll give you and my mate David's votes if in return for my support you give the Department of Transport

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CrunchyCarrot · 22/05/2019 21:09

Anyone know when EP results come in?

Sunday night, apparently - program on BBC from 10 p.m.

woman19 · 22/05/2019 21:10

Grin buffy

Does that mean exit polls are banned until then
We're one of 3 countries voting tomorrow? Others are voting later this week.

I have heard strange tales of lands where voters get to vote and foreign funders aren't allowed to fund 'domestic' extremist parties.

They have a strange thing called 'electoral law' and it's binding. Shock

We get this:

@JolyonMaugham
Soon an unelected leader of a Government without a majority will promise an outcome without a mandate to a public that doesn't want it.

PCPlumsTruncheon · 22/05/2019 21:29

magimedi I watched the Thatcher documentary. It really brought it home to me how the calibre of politicians has changed.
Even though I cannot find the words to describe how I felt about Thatcher, I do feel that she had a certain amount of integrity and believed in what she was doing and I think the same can be said about most politicians of that era.
I think most of them would genuinely have put their country before their party and certainly before their own career unlike today’s shower of shit. Boris Johnson and David Cameron sum up the state of current politics for me - all they really care about are their careers. They just live in a bubble and nothing that happens to the economy will affect them personally because they are insulated by inherited wealth.
I really think they should put a cap on the number of cabinet members who attended public schools- a kind of opposite of positive discrimination

Ellie56 · 22/05/2019 21:34

She's so shit, Theresa May beat her. Grin

Jux · 23/05/2019 12:45

That ex-army twat who's now an MP posh boy supporting BoJo said something on Peston last night which caught my attention. That it was May's primary duty to win elections.

Her primary duty to wi elections.

Not to her country and Sovereign.
Not to her people.
Not to her constituents.

No. Her primary duty was to win elections.

I don't understand this, as it is very clear to me that this is what brings out the very worst in politics and politicians.