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Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise

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RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 22:31

In the beginning there was this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1

And it said:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

And

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

So what of where we stand and the poison chalice of the Tory Leadership and a deal.

According to a poll of Tory Members, Johnson is by far their runaway favourite to become next leader. And he's given a 61% competence score - higher than any other candidate.

With Raab as their second favourite.

May has successfully managed to make such a mess of how she handled the 2016 Tory Party Conference and everything that subsequently stemmed from that, that the poison chalice of leadership will be passed and sooner than many would have wanted.

However blame for what follows can be laid at her feet. At the Labour Party’s feet for ending talks that were never going anyway. At the EU. And No Deal has been detoxified by May's handling amongst many supporters of Brexit. Johnson and Raab will therefore have no interest in striking a deal with the EU and instead set sail for exit on 31st Oct and will brazen it out.

What is scary is that waiting in the wings is Farage, who without winning a single seat in the HoC has more power than any MP. They are all so afraid of him. Thus we face a very hard push to the right, with the left and centre in disarray and disorganisation.

The Human Rights Act and Devolution settlements will be top of the list to go.

And we will face draconian ways to control the population as the lazy fools will want no accountability to the press or the courts.

How long before appointed or elected judges?

Was Boris outmanoeuvred?

By the look of it, absolutely not. He just had to wait a few years. But his path and power will not be lead by him... But by those who pull his strings.

It looks bleak. Very bleak.

Many may rue the day they didn't vote for May's deal yet...

... And fear of this nightmare vision of the future is the only card May has left in her hand to play. Will anyone realise this?

Probably not, because they will all still think Johnson's leadership bid will be blocked by moderates. The trouble is he's polling well and the cowards are too busy looking over their shoulders at the turquoise arrows.

Pray for a shock result next week which brings fewer Brexit Party seats than are anticipated. The trouble is they have the momentum right now and Remainers don't know their arses from their elbows much less be passion and inspiring to the young and to women.

We are fucked.

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prettybird · 22/05/2019 19:26

WhatWouldScoobyDo - you could do one each Wink

Although check out the latest polling as Green might be a better bet than LibDem. But there again, the polling is all over the place, so go with what feels "right" for you Smile

Runningintothesunset · 22/05/2019 19:38

C4 reporting that Andrea Leadsom has quit the cabinet

ContinuityError · 22/05/2019 19:38

Loathesome Leadsome has quit the Cabinet.

Whisky2014 · 22/05/2019 19:38

Yep

Whisky2014 · 22/05/2019 19:40

@WhatWouldScoobyDoo SNP!

SusanWalker · 22/05/2019 19:44

Of you take out the national embarrassment and the awfulness of no deal I would quite enjoy seeing Boris get his arse handed to him by the EU.

tobee · 22/05/2019 19:50

Bye Andrea!

1tisILeClerc · 22/05/2019 19:54
Time for some music.
prettybird · 22/05/2019 19:56

We've had to have a "chat" with ds Wink as he doesn't see the point in voting, because we're leaving the EU whatever Sad - which he is half ok with as it will be the quickest way for Scotland to become independent. Hmm

He is going to vote Grin as we reminded him that Scotland needs to demonstrate that it is still pro-EU. So that 3xSNP from this household (one extra from the Referendum and from last year's GE Wink as ds turned 18 since then).

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 22/05/2019 19:59

Bloody hell, just seen Loathsomes gone

bellinisurge · 22/05/2019 20:00

Presume Loathsome can start lobbying to be leader. Because that went so well last time. She's so shit, Theresa May beat her.

ContinuityError · 22/05/2019 20:01

prettybird my DS has a postal vote, which I sent to him a week ago (as soon as it arrived) with clear instructions as to what to do AS IT WAS IMPORTANT.

He has only just discovered it “hidden” under a pizza flyer (and now too late to post).

Sometimes I wonder how he manages to tie his own shoelaces 🙄

tobee · 22/05/2019 20:01

pretty I think a lot of people will be thinking that way. But, unlike your ds, might not actually vote.

I think the conversation, as served up by the media, has been all wrong. Sad

pointythings · 22/05/2019 20:04

woman no, not a sausage. Think DD1 and I will just go to the polling station tomorrow and see if we are on the list.

Iambuffy · 22/05/2019 20:04

East mids here too.
I'm going green as lib dem are going to get a seat.
Green vote might prevent a Tory mep

tobee · 22/05/2019 20:04

Ooh, it's gonna be like Miss World, the leadership contest! Swimsuits to the ready! ConfusedSo many contestants!

Place bets on any more resignations tonight. Who? When? How many?

colouringinpro · 22/05/2019 20:05

I don't know if I can much more of this. Boris fucking Johnson as PM? FFS.

DippyAvocado · 22/05/2019 20:07

@ContinuityError you can hand postal votes in to the local council directly on the day of the election if you miss posting it

AutumnCrow · 22/05/2019 20:18

yy There's usually a postal vote collection box near the main doors of the main council building on election days.

HazardGhost · 22/05/2019 20:19

Me and Mr Hazard decided we're going lib dem. We both got leaflets Grin we liked said leaflets and the manifesto was a) an actual manifesto and b) agreeable. I have a feeling its the "it" remain party and gaining momentum. Plus finding info on the greens has been hardwork and I don't like hardwork because TIRED.

Should have sorted postal votes as MrHazard is a bit iffy this wk but he will be dragged if necessary.

I love voting days Blush

ClarkeMurphy · 22/05/2019 20:20

She's so shit, Theresa May beat her.

That is the best insult I've heard in ages! It's the political equivalent of "my mum could have scored that".

Tanith · 22/05/2019 20:20

Prettybird Good for him!

DS realised this week that his address hasn’t been changed to his college (yes I reminded him lots to get it done!), so he’s coming home for the day to vote: it’s a 200 mile round trip.

So glad to see the back of Leadsome - spending more time with her jam pots, is she? Smile

BlackeyedGruesome · 22/05/2019 20:21

Checking in right at the end. Nervously awaiting developments.

OublietteBravo · 22/05/2019 20:25

So we have a new flavour of uncertainty, which is pretty much the same as the old one, only it means that even less predictable uncertainty is on its way. Is that about right?

Do we think the odds on a 2019 GE are shortening or lengthening?

BestIsWest · 22/05/2019 20:28

I am voting Plaid, DD is probably voting Plaid but might go Green (her DP is an active member). DH probably Lib Dem and DS unknown at the moment but certainly won’t be BP.