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Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise

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RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 22:31

In the beginning there was this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1

And it said:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

And

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

So what of where we stand and the poison chalice of the Tory Leadership and a deal.

According to a poll of Tory Members, Johnson is by far their runaway favourite to become next leader. And he's given a 61% competence score - higher than any other candidate.

With Raab as their second favourite.

May has successfully managed to make such a mess of how she handled the 2016 Tory Party Conference and everything that subsequently stemmed from that, that the poison chalice of leadership will be passed and sooner than many would have wanted.

However blame for what follows can be laid at her feet. At the Labour Party’s feet for ending talks that were never going anyway. At the EU. And No Deal has been detoxified by May's handling amongst many supporters of Brexit. Johnson and Raab will therefore have no interest in striking a deal with the EU and instead set sail for exit on 31st Oct and will brazen it out.

What is scary is that waiting in the wings is Farage, who without winning a single seat in the HoC has more power than any MP. They are all so afraid of him. Thus we face a very hard push to the right, with the left and centre in disarray and disorganisation.

The Human Rights Act and Devolution settlements will be top of the list to go.

And we will face draconian ways to control the population as the lazy fools will want no accountability to the press or the courts.

How long before appointed or elected judges?

Was Boris outmanoeuvred?

By the look of it, absolutely not. He just had to wait a few years. But his path and power will not be lead by him... But by those who pull his strings.

It looks bleak. Very bleak.

Many may rue the day they didn't vote for May's deal yet...

... And fear of this nightmare vision of the future is the only card May has left in her hand to play. Will anyone realise this?

Probably not, because they will all still think Johnson's leadership bid will be blocked by moderates. The trouble is he's polling well and the cowards are too busy looking over their shoulders at the turquoise arrows.

Pray for a shock result next week which brings fewer Brexit Party seats than are anticipated. The trouble is they have the momentum right now and Remainers don't know their arses from their elbows much less be passion and inspiring to the young and to women.

We are fucked.

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Peregrina · 17/05/2019 22:50

Does Boris really want the job yet?
5 years down the line maybe, when somehow we will have moved on one way or the other.

colouringinpro · 17/05/2019 22:54

It just keeps getting worse 😱😱😱

NoWordForFluffy · 17/05/2019 22:55

Maybe it's a ploy: Boris says he's standing to scare MPs into voting for the WA?!

I'm not sure everything is as it seems right now. Everything seems off kilter.

UnrelentingFruitScoffer · 17/05/2019 22:58

Mr Johnson is a lying, cheating lazybones of a clown. Incompetent, insufferable, arrogant and useless. Sacked from two jobs for lying. Cheated all through both his marriages. A bully, a snob and a narcissist. He has no political ideas at all except that he wants to be rich and famous. He has no political allies or political programme. He just wants to be top dog. He was the worst Foreign Secretary in a century or more despised and shunned by our allies and others.

Just NO !

RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 23:02

Tbh I think Boris might well think this is the only shot he's going to get. 5 years down the line the Tory Party will either be completely fucked or if someone else gets the job and manages to ride the storm then he won't get another shot.

I'm not sure he'd choose it this way. But I do think he will try and brazen it out, and play the blame game in a BIG way (and that's not either pretty nor safe path for the UK)

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Poppyinafieldofdreams · 17/05/2019 23:02

If you don’t get one lot you get the other.

We knew from the off that we will never leave the EU there is too much business at stake it was just an issue of prolonging it as much as possible and relying on voter boredom and confusion.

It’s done now.

So we just sit back and let Corbyn ruin the economy and then wait for the cavalry to ride to the rescue.

It’s how it works.

Youcantscaremeihavechildren · 17/05/2019 23:03

I've given myself a break from it all for a while, but I'm aghast at what we are looking at. Game of Thrones looks more civilised and reasonable a society compared to all this currently..

prettybird · 17/05/2019 23:03

I could actively want Boris as Conservative Leader/PM as that would really help advance the cause of Scottish Independence (as feared by the Scottish Conservatives) - but like Brexit, I can't wish that on FUKD Sad

Regal cat exiting his indirection of the compost Tardis. Wink

Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise
RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 23:06

As I said on the other thread, as soon as you realise that competence isn't a priority as long as the Prizes for the Hard Right are delivered.

In the UK its not abortion. Its the chance to dismantle the Human Rights Act and Equality Act, to sell off the NHS and to bring in tax reforms to get even richer off.

Focus on this and it makes perfect sense.

Raab's previous stance on dismantling rights is the big tell.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 17/05/2019 23:06

I have no idea what to say.

RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 23:08

I have no idea what to say.

Try swear words or just weeping.

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prettybird · 17/05/2019 23:09

...but as dh says, "He who enters the Conclave as Pope, leaves as a Cardinal" so the probability is that it won't be one of the front runners.

My money is still on Gove. He's been keep on his head down and sounding almost reasonable. It says a lot about current UK politics that he could be seen as the best of an unacceptably bad bunch ConfusedEnvy

PigletJohn · 17/05/2019 23:14

Gove is the Murdoch choice.

MyOtherProfile · 17/05/2019 23:17

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result

Can anyone explain this to me? What did Cameron do yesterday? Whatever it was, I missed it.

HunkyDory69 · 17/05/2019 23:20

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MyOtherProfile · 17/05/2019 23:21

Ah ok thanks. Thought I had missed something important yesterday.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/05/2019 23:23

Thanks, red 💐

"they will all still think Johnson's leadership bid will be blocked by moderates."

Big mistake: The moderates may now be a minority - at least those actually prepared to stand their ground

There are 160 MPs who called for No Deal

There are many other MPs who would vote for Boris regardless of Brexit,
because they think he is the Tory with the best chance of winning a GE and hence saving their seats

HunkyDory69 · 17/05/2019 23:24

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Apileofballyhoo · 17/05/2019 23:25

It's when he resigned, other, after the referendum.

prettybird · 17/05/2019 23:29

Just noticed the autocarrot on my 1st post Blush

It's supposed to read "Regal cat exiting his inspection of the compost Tardis."

RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 23:32

Exactly BCF
Exactly.

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/05/2019 23:32

I doubt if the Brexit backers care about the Human RIghts Act

  • that's just useful for winding up the cannon fodder with tales of rapists who can't be expelled if they own a cat.

For the moneymen behind Brexit, it's all about ...... money:

. Selling off the NHS
. Making the UK pay US prices for pharmaceuticals - and making our healthcare far more expensive
. An FTA that lets opens up the UK market to the huge US meat industry via lower standards
. Hedgefund profits from a crashing pound and crashing share prices of Uk businesses

For the hard right politicians, it's about fully rolling back the post-WW2 welfare state
The weakest die out. Social Darwinism

RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 23:37

Killing the HRA makes it easier to exploit workers BCF. And for big businesses to be less accountable.

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RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 23:38

And if you are into social darwinism the HRA is a real annoyance.

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CoolCarrie · 17/05/2019 23:39

What a horrible thought to have Johnson in number 10; it’s bad enough with Trumpet in the White House, I despair 😩