Westminstenders: Why the Irish Border isn't a Remain/EU Plot

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I hope the events of this week give the ERG the kick up the backside over this that they need.

I doubt it will, but I live in hope. The alternative is too horrid to contemplate.

I'll leave this here instead as a reminder of what choice Brexit was always going to come down to.

Happy Easter everyone.

mathanxiety
TBH Social Media echo chambers are more dangerous now.

I am being trolled by a group (in my work capacity) and there is nothing I can do to stop them smearing me and spreading lies.

People believe their bubbles and see the media as reinforcing them.
The Editor of the Daily Heil is a remainer. Many of their Brexit stories are preparing the ground for how bad it could be
not that you'd guess it by the below the line section

tip How dreadful for you

Reason why Labour is supporting the 'you now whats' is cos centrist traitors are jealous of Seamus Milne's handsome good looks.
It's all so clear now, thanks to little Aaron.
The brexit has done odd things to the english men, and honestly; they were pretty odd already.

Please censor beach photos if they come next

What have I missed?

Fairies, trolls and flying cows.

In fairness - he does look very young for 61. I am jealous - I'll admit it. But my problem lies with him influencing Corbyn to refuse a second referendum in the name of disaster socialist rather than his youthful skin.

disaster socialism even

I wonder about the people who have reached 60 without deep laughter lines

Micky665544 Sat 27-Apr-19 13:02:21
well the cows have to get over the border somehow, so this is where ANPR comes in.

LOL.

I would laugh without a hint of sarcasm if not for the fact that you are probably quite representative of general Brexiteer ignorance about how the real world works combined with complete certainty that an arrogant wave of the hand will see off any difficulties standing in the way of Brexit.

www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/spilt-milk-how-brexit-threatens-baileys-and-dubliner-cheese-1.3242752

Brexiteers really do know nothing of Ireland, north or south, or how complex trade is between NI and Ireland or between Ireland and the UK. Or trade between the UK and pretty much any other state if it comes to that.

The cross border milk trade is just one example that illustrates how your preposterous ideas are criminally ignorant and an insult to people in Ireland on both sides of the border.

Producing Baileys is a major operation. The company requires more than 275 million litres of milk supplied from 40,000 dairy cows grazing on 1,500 accredited farms in the Republic and in Northern Ireland. This is the equivalent, in recent years, of between 4 per cent and 5 per cent of Ireland’s total milk production.

Diageo confirms there are about 5,000 Border crossings a year by trucks in the direct Baileys supply chain, moving raw milk, cream, whiskey, bottles and corrugated paper.

Seamus Milne :
Daddy ran the BBC, went to Winchester, wants to pull up the drawbridge, would not know the real world if it slapped him in the face

only somebody as thick as Corbyn cannot see that he is a "useful idiot"

Please censor beach photos if they come next
Don't go there BCF Please!
Jess Phillips is a
@jessphillips
Jess Phillips Retweeted Aaron Bastani
I'm literally laughing out loud. But so funny that brocialists need a hot pin up. He's so dreamy

BigChoc is a dance meme on Sardinia by the way - still trying to get the picture off my phone for her

European Policy Centre - Brexit: Losing Control

http://www.epc.eu/pubdetails.php?catt_id=17&pub_id=9199

Andrew Duff argues that neither the EU nor the UK is now fully in control.
Both are being badly destabilised by Brexit.

An accidental no deal is a live possibility.

Unless the British have made real progress towards the exit by the time of the next EUCO in June, attitudes will harden — including those of Angela Merkel

Talks between pro-European Tory ministers and the Labour frontbench have a 30% chance of success.
If they fail, both leaders are expected to commit to more indicative votes in the Commons, this time rather more ‘meaningful’.

Mr Corbyn may want to delay his agreement until after the UK has been obliged by the EUCO to fight a mock election to the European Parliament.
But the June EUCO is the next important deadline if British MEPs are to be stopped from taking their seats.

The proposal for a ‘confirmatory public vote’ to second guess the House of Commons is badly misconceived.
It reduces the chance that the Commons can reach a solid majority on anything and would throw the nation into bitter division, enfeebling further the Westminster parliament and parties.

Mr Tusk apart, the rest of the EU knows that another referendum will not resolve its British problem.

< not the first time poor old Tusk has been criticised for his support of the UK - he is getting isolated >

Micky
what you really have to look at here is who is saying 'no, this can't work!'

For sure, it's always Remainers, the EU and the Irish government - wonder why?

Because they deal in material reality and have both the education and experience in trade to inform them, unlike the True Believers in Brexit who think that WANTING to make something work is all it takes.

These armchair pontificators always know better .

Blimey falimey.
A very dear and old friend has just posted on FB that unless Corbyn supports remain, he should step aside.
Thing is that said friend is a branch organiser who was in early Momentum
the worm may turn on Tuesday

Opinium & Survation both have BREX & LAB in joint lead for EP elections

Similar BREX to YouGov earlier, with most of their votes from disintegrating UKIP and some from CON

LDEM, CHUK, GRN fighting each other for about 20% of vote - likely to end up with v few seats total

Britain Electss@britainelects*

European Parliament voting intention:

BREX: 28% (+16)
LAB: 28% (-1)
CON: 14% (-3)
LDEM: 7% (-3)
CHUK: 7% (+3)
GRN: 6% (-)
UKIP: 3% (-10)

via @OpiniumResearch, Chgs. w/ 12 Apr
.....
BREX: 27% (+27)
LAB: 27% (+2)
CON: 16% (-7)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
UKIP: 7% (-20)
CHUK: 4% (+4)
GRN: 4% (-4)

via @Survation, 17 - 25 Apr, Chgs. w/ 2014

I wonder about the people who have reached 60 without deep laughter lines

I did go to a SWP meeting once. I laughed. Never went back though.
I noticed that SWP had to have comedians ratified by the 'administation' to check if it was Ok to laugh. Happened when I had a pint with Mark Steel, ex of the SWP parish, and some of my colleagues who very sadly were also SWP ( and destroyed our Trades Union)

Trotskyite plonkers.

Milne is not, it has to be said, a handsome man, old or young. But to be fair, none of the brexists are. Kind of explains brexit really.

Yup, BCF no deal and a brexist regime is well on the way.

Thanks in many ways to 'Labour' and Seamus Milne's collective moral, intellectual and political incontinence.

His sticky out ears are a centrist slur, though.

As for UKIP before them, with same polling company, BREX much less popular for Westminster
and their % would give them few, if any, seats

If other polls continue to show Tories down to upper 20s, then v. unlikely that the ERG & DUP would try to force a GE over Brexit - CON cling onto power like grim death

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=mobile.twitter.com/britainelects" target="_blank">Britain Electss<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=mobile.twitter.com/britainelects" target="_blank">@britainelects

LAB: 33% (-3)
CON: 26% (-3)
BREX: 17% (+17)
LDEM: 6% (-2)
CHUK: 4% (+4)
GRN: 4% (-)
UKIP: 4% (-7)

via @OpiniumResearch, 21 - 23 Apr, Chgs. w/ 12 Apr

woman Polls still show that Brexit voters want to send batshit Brexiters to the EP, but not yet to Westminster

Some sense of self-preservation maybe:
vote to keep pressure on Brexit, but not trusting the Faragists with power to bugger up the Uk
They probably vote for the Tories to do that

More probably than a BREX govt is that the Tory party will become fully hard righ authoritarian conservative, with the few remaining moderates like Grieve removed

woman The comparatively few young Brexiters seem to be the violently misogynist incels - hence the term Brincels

In light of the higher fees for foreign students report from RTB

www.bbc.com/news/uk-48076192

The government is being investigated over its decision to cancel 36,000 student visas due to accusations of cheating on English language tests.

The Home Office has also deported more than 1,000 people after its own probe into exam fraud began in 2014.

Spending watchdog the National Audit Office (NAO) said the Home Office's response would be reviewed after its decisions came under "public scrutiny".

The Home Office says it is "supporting" the investigation.

In a statement the NAO said: "The Home Office revoked student visas where there was evidence of cheating, but its decisions have come under renewed public and parliamentary scrutiny in the wake of the Windrush scandal.

"The NAO is looking at the information held by the Home Office on the number of people alleged to have cheated and the action the Home Office has taken to date."

The cheating scandal came to light in an undercover BBC Panorama investigation into fraud at two centres administering the mandatory language tests.

The then government-approved Test of English for International Communication (TOEIC) involves a written and oral section and a separate multiple-choice question paper.

Following the report, Theresa May, then home secretary, said the evidence was "very shocking"...

...The Home Office has said it welcomes "genuine international students" and that there is no limit on the number who study in the UK.

You would almost think that the government doesn't see the benefit to UK universities of money from foreign students even as things stand, or understand the benefit to the UK from the reputation associated with being a magnet for foreign students, the importance of having leading universities to the 'national UK brand'.

You might ask yourself what the universities have ever done to the Tory party to cause such an official kicking in the teeth on top of the Brexit-related cutting of EU research money.

1tisILeClerc
UK universities had/have a good reputation so why not kill them off

March 2019 A new ambition to increase the number of international students studying in the UK by more than 30%–helping boost the income generated by education exports to £35 billion.

"The strategy sets out an ambition to grow the total number of international students during the year to 600,000 and generate £35 billion through education exports by 2030–a rise of 75%.The plans focus on not only retaining existing markets such as Europe, but raising the profile of the education sector in global markets such as Asia, Africa and Latin America."

www.gov.uk/government/news/plans-to-boost-international-student-numbers-and-income

Brian Cox is not impressed with the higher fees proposal.

Matthew Paris is an 'out of touch' Tory. In that he is not a batshit no dealer. He's speaking as someone who does not want to believe that No Deal is still possible.

Remember the EU elections are liable to have the effect of sending Tory MPs insane. It'll be bad enough after the local election bloodbath, but a resounding thumping of everyone by the Brexit Party will put the fear of losing their jobs into them.

That's going to mean that any possibility of a cross bench compromise will be dead. We already have a strong chance that May will go along with trying to pass a Malthouse Compromise version of the WA in parliament with the intention of putting pressure on the EU. The indications are that she has appeased Graham Brady by agreeing to the suggestion. Of course the EU will tell us to piss off in much the same way they told Cameron to piss off about ending freedom of movement.

If she passes the WA minus the backstop that's also going to pose a problem. How does she then go back to the Commons and say 'no can do, we need the bill is worthless in practice, we need to rip it up and vote on something else'. Her party - which by the end of May will be spitting blood - just will not take that. Its just not going to happen. But it also means that if WA with Malthouse Compromise passes, the WA can not pass, and the default then very much is No Deal.

I therefore take the idea of WA with Malthouse Compromise as a Trojan Horse for No Deal, which places the blame firmly at the feet of the EU for their audience.

The EU of course are not exactly going to be happy at the attempt to rewrite the WA unilaterally and defeating the point it and removing all leverage they have and destroying the GFA in the process.

Right now, I'm having real trouble thinking of an alternative course of events. May is so weak that I don't think she has the spine to do anything differently. She'll go along with the stupidity of trying to rip out the backstop.

I fear what Trump coming in June will really be about. It might be about trying to shaft the EU. I note tonight that Lord Ashcroft is talking about the possibility of Trump meeting Farage which he's over.

"The strategy sets out an ambition to grow the total number of international students during the year to 600,000 and generate £35 billion through education exports by 2030–a rise of 75%.The plans focus on not only retaining existing markets such as Europe, but raising the profile of the education sector in global markets such as Asia, Africa and Latin America."

That's genuinely funny.

It's hard to see how this can be achieved when there are horror stories of arrest and deportation of foreign students all over the news for the last few years.

Prospective students can read, you know.