Westminstenders: Why the Irish Border isn't a Remain/EU Plot

[RedToothBrush]

I hope the events of this week give the ERG the kick up the backside over this that they need.

I doubt it will, but I live in hope. The alternative is too horrid to contemplate.

I'll leave this here instead as a reminder of what choice Brexit was always going to come down to.

Happy Easter everyone.

Clavinova
Why are you so desperate to cut and paste items that were in the news nearly 5 months ago?
You could be more productive and come up with a plan to stop the general slide into obscurity that the UK is likely to suffer when it leaves.
Oh, silly me, that would require a 'Brexiteer' to think.

pmk

PMK. Thanks Red.

@Clavinova - did you not read my last post today? Their govt knew about the attacks 2 weeks ago. Now I'm not saying we have one of the best security services in the world I'm confident that's something Leavers should be suggesting but I do find it unlikely that they wouldn't have also had it on their radar.

And it's your posts have constantly said everything has been a coincidence, not a single issue that has arisen has had the tiniest thing to do with Brexit. Not sure what your point was with that.

Could be partly Brexit related - however, the wealthy elite seem to be flocking back to Paris because Emmanuel Macron has given them mahoosive tax cuts

could be.... how about is?

The tax cuts should still make London a far more attractive proposition, the CT rate will still be 10 points higher than the new UK rate of 15%, UK doesn't have a wealth tax....

meanwhile we still cannot fund Adult Social Care.

LonelyTiredandLow

Are you still justifying your comments?

"I know I said I was being tin foil hat yesterday but I do suspect TM knew about the Sri Lanken (sic) bombings in advance.Of course the idea to use it for political gain is a common Tory theme"

So you think that TM was using prior knowledge of the attacks in Sri Lanka for political gain - via her Easter message?

And the rest of you are worried about the possibility of Nazi death camps etc.etc.

I think you've all had a bit too much sun...

The effect on the new EP is one reason why Macron - and others - were reluctant to grant this extension:

We'll have MEPs until Brexit, then .... they'll be replaced by additonal MEPs from other countries - who've been hanging around waiting, after their election -
Don't underestimate how pissed off many MEPs from E27 countries are, at UK dithering

Guy Verhofstadt@guyverhofstadt

The Brexit extension risks making this Parliament a real pigeon house, a dovecote.

With British MEPs flying in & out & others on the substitute benches.

Banksy already depicted Westminster as a house of monkeys.
He could paint this blue hemicycle in Strasbourg filled with pigeons

did you not read my last post today? Their govt knew about the attacks 2 weeks ago. Now I'm not saying we have one of the best security services in the world I'm confident that's something Leavers should be suggesting but I do find it unlikely that they wouldn't have also had it on their radar.

Bear in mind the 7/7 bombers were known to the security services - which saved no lives whatsoever.

Also, knowing something is going to happen doesn't necessarily equate to knowing what is going to happen. For example many posters here have predicted an upsurge in violence in Northern Ireland. Then, lo ! Tragically an innocent young women is gunned down in Northern Ireland. Although no one here could possibly have known it would happen to her when it did .

I don't suggest we could have done anything to stop it, but I think you'd be naive to think our security wouldn't have warned the PM. I found it odd at the time that she was sending a message about Christian persecution and fear of practising being a Christian was mere hours beforehand, when it's hardly something we experience in UK. I did also say I thought I was being "a bit tin foil hat" - unlike any of your own posts where you flatly refuse to see how anything could be related to the referendum.

(Last line was for @Clavinova, obviously).

Anyway only popped back on to have a break from the sun. 4 hours of gardening and counting!

Posts stated that we do NOT think it is remotely possible the UK would have Nazi death camps

All part of the Brexit progression of expectations:

Taking back control
Easiest trade deal in history
....
Raab “there will be adequate food”

David Davis "there won't be Mad Max dsytopia"

Westministenders "There won't be Nazi death camps"

I found it odd at the time that she was sending a message about Christian persecution and fear of practicing being a Christian

On Easter Sunday - whatever next?

I do get your point @Clavinova. I don't think you get mine.

Funny the history Leavers will make current and ones they ignore...

And of course JRM telling us it may take 50 years to see benefits from Brexit

Hello, we can't reliably predict anywhere near that time frame, too many external factors e.g. climate change, wars

Yorkshire Post Exclusive: Chris Grayling told transport chiefs not to reveal delays to vital rail scheme until after Commons debate with Labour MPs

Grayling caught being dodgy. Again

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/exclusive-chris-grayling-told-transport-chiefs-not-to-reveal-delays-to-vital-rail-scheme-until-after-commons-debate-with-labour-mps-1-9722494

In an email obtained by this newspaper, a senior Department for Transport official told rail industry leaders in January last year that
Mr Grayling did not want the delay to the electrification project in the North West to be made public until after the rail franchising debate led by Labour the following day.

And the rest of you are worried about the possibility of Nazi death camps etc.etc

No, has anyone said that?

The point is about the fall of Weimar and how authoritarianism can seep into a democracy. How we need to be vigilant when seemingly rational decisions can have sinister overtones.

No one is screaming about death camps. I am making a point that we need to be vigilant when right wing parties start to rise. Seemingly reasonable people make any excuse to vote for them and can excuse rape jokes and racism to get a specific result.

While May is condemning terrorism, her DUP allies continue to have terrorist links

She can't do much about Sri Lanka, but she can stop allying herself with the disgusting DUP

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/dup-candidate-is-caught-on-camera-at-uda-terror-fest-38034810.html

A DUP council candidate has denied being a UDA supporter, despite attending an event glorifying the terror gang and wearing a T-shirt branded with its logo.
....
Standing next to McKee in the photograph is racist UDA member Stephen 'Crofty' Croft,
who was filmed earlier this month drunkenly ranting at Middle Eastern staff in a Belfast takeaway.
Pointing to his UDA tattoo, cowardly Croft screamed at the frightened workers:

"Fk off back to Iraq, fk off back to your own country.
"You're dead. You'll be shot by the time I leave here.
See that UVF, UDA, UFF (pointing at his tattoos).
I'll have you shot boy by the end of the night."

I'd expect the Sri Lankan authorities passed this informarion on to the UK, as part of standard intelligence sharing,
but MI6 / GCHQ would probably also have picked up what the Sri Lankan govt knew.

Doesn't mean anyone could stop the atrocities and there's nothing wrong with May condemning persecution in advance of attacks she might have been told are coming.
I'm not sure why that's controversial

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/22/sri-lanka-attacks-death-toll-from-bombings-rises-sharply-to-290

Sri Lankan authorities received warnings two weeks before the Easter Sunday terrorist attacks that killed at least 290 people,
a cabinet spokesman has said.

The problem with the authorities knowing of atrocities in advance, is the temptation to ignore that knowledge, and use the subsequent outrage for their own ends (yes, I do to answer the question not yet asked).

Does no one wonder why the IRA used to call newspapers and TV stations with warnings ? It was because they knew if they just called the police direct, it would be ignored so the government would have justification for it's agenda. Maybe now the governments desire to crack down on the ability of terrorists to communicate directly with the public makes more sense ?

So you think that TM was using prior knowledge of the attacks in Sri Lanka for political gain - via her Easter message?

I am quite sure that Theresa May does use prior knowledge for political gain.

So you think that TM was using prior knowledge of the attacks in Sri Lanka for political gain - via her Easter message?

Why not ? After all, she's quite happy to be the personal face of a government that pisses all over the rights of it's own citizens and is more than happy to see the vulnerable harassed to a slow and miserable death. Why should citizens of nowhere elsewhere be somehow due better treatment. (Unless they are rich of course).

This report is very concerning, because it indicates risk of a possible coup or civil war in Sri Lanka :

"Senaratne emphasised that the prime minister, Ranil Wickremesinghe, and his cabinet had not been privy to the warnings
about possible attacks because they were not invited to the national security council meetings, which are led by Sri Lankan president, Maithripala Sirisena."

Imagine the UK PM and her Cabinet not being warned when our intelligence services know about a planned atrocity of this magnitude in the UK ?
If they are ever kept in the dark like that, then it really would be time to flee the country

Imagine the UK PM and her Cabinet not being warned when our intelligence services know about a planned atrocity of this magnitude in the UK ?

I questioned on these threads the idea that Theresa May might not be cleared for some information when the Mueller report and AG private Jet were in the news ....

I am prepared to give May the benefit of the doubt here. She is a Christian herself, her father was a minister, I think rather than using knowledge that there was a significant threat to Christians in Sri Lanka for political gain she is likely to have been genuinely bothered by the intelligence and made reference to it because it upset and concerned her.

Not that I think she embodies Christian values. Hers is that very hypocritical brand of Christianity that conveniently ignores the bits about treating others well, not focussing on gaining wealth, etc. She likes the moral codes she can impose on others. She isn't so hot on the forgiveness, mercy and compassion bits.

I think she's a pretty terrible person but I don't think it's bad to condemn persecution when you have foreknowledge of such atrocities.

DG It's quite sensible if she's not warned about events that might mean Tory politicians beinf embarassed, or worse.

However, not being warned about mass murder on British soil would be inexcusable and would indeed mean that the security forces had taken over

.... Near impossible to happen with a Tory govt, but a small possibility if Corbyn became PM,
since some retired generals and intelligence heads regard him as a dangerous Marxist & traitor.
There were reports of several coup plots against the far more anodyne Harold Wilson - his terrible sins were that he was taxing the rich, strengthening union rights and that, for a while, the Tories had no idea how to win a GE against him.