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Westminstenders: A False Sense of Security

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RedToothBrush · 12/04/2019 22:34

The new exit date, unless we agree a deal sooner, is the 31st October.

It seems ages away, but its runs the risk of a false sense of security too.

The first deadline is May 22nd. The Conservative Party would dearly like to avoid European Elections. They are already liable to face wipe out in the early May local elections, as the party was at its peak in 2015 under Cameron when there were last elections.

The EU elections have the added danger of proportional representation meaning UKIP and The Brexit Party could win seats from them. This is despite polling suggesting that Ukip and the Brexit Party are unlikely to reach the high watermark of 2015 and this could lead to fewer UKIP style MEPs this time round.

The liklihood of a deal by 22nd May is low though. Especially given how well Tory - Labour talks are going. The potential for a deal seems remote in the next few weeks.

The next deadline falls on 30th June. If we do have EU elections, the next target for the Tory Party is the end of June to get a deal before the newly elected MEPs can take their seats. However if the goal is unachievable before EU elections, it seems unlikely that agreement will be found in the next 30 days unless there is a major change of heart amongst the hardcore ERG and the DUP. Labour will want to see the Tories humiliated too much.

May who says she will go, will face another wave of pressure to resign during May and June. Messages out of No10, though not May herself, had indicated an exit around 22nd May on the condition a deal was done. Crafty as ever, what May actually said was she would stay on until we reached the second stage of Brexit and had effectively left. This now falls as late as Oct 31st, thus killing plans for a summer Tory leader election.

Once we get past June though, time for a deal, any deal starts to become very limited. Parliament only sits until mid July. Here May hits another problem. The two year parliamentary session ends. There has been talk of it being extended but the DUP have firmly said no to this.

This means when parliament is due to return in September we have an issue. To start a new session May will need a majority to pass a Queens Speech. If the DUP and Hardline ERGers withdraw support in protest at May still being PM what happens? Can May win support from elsewhere. It seems unlikely.

At this point the question of a General Election looms large. And we only have six weeks from then before we exit the EU. If a GE is triggered then, the risk of no deal is extremely high, which might encourage some to support May from across the aisle to prevent parliament from being shut and losing those crucial six weeks.

The danger over the next few weeks, is there is a false sense of there being lots of time left. The reality is our real deadline might be in effect the end of the parliamentary session in mid July. After that all bets are off.

The date of 31st October isn't the one you should keep your eyes on.

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/04/2019 07:16

/Pelosi warns no US-UK trade deal if Belfast Agreement weakened by Brexit

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/pelosi-warns-no-us-uk-trade-deal-if-belfast-agreement-weakened-by-brexit-1.3861459 ireland/irish-news/pelosi-warns-no-us-uk-trade-deal-if-belfast-agreement-weakened-by-brexit-1.3861459

US House of Representatives speaker Nancy Pelosi said there would be “no chance whatsoever” of a US-UK trade deal if the Northern Ireland peace agreement was weakened by Brexitt*.

Speaking at the London School of Economics ahead of her visit to Dublin, the Democratic leader in the House said that a US-UK trade agreement would be “a non-starter” if the Belfast Agreement was undermined
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Ms Pelosi said that she told British prime minister Theresa May, her de facto deputy David Lidington, Conservative pro-Brexit hardliners and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn during their meetings and conversations while in London
that there would be no trade deal if Brexit undermined the 1998 agreement.

“To all of them, we made it clear: don’t even think about that,” she said.

In response, “every single person” told the US politicians: “don’t worry about it – that is a place that we cannot go,” said Ms Pelosi.
< did she speak to Bois ? If so, he was being 2-faced, as always >

Peregrina · 16/04/2019 07:19

Good for Nancy Pelosi.

On the subject of May's lost majority - I wonder what would have happened if she had got the 100 seats or even 60 that she was expecting. Would we have just crashed out - or what? The economics wouldn't have been any different.

vanitythynameisnotwoman · 16/04/2019 07:23

@lonelyplanetmum said much better than I could. Absolutely agree.
The 6 weeks thing - the excellent Carole Cadwallader who has a platform - which citizens don't - and a budget - which we don't have either - and it took her, what a year, maybe more??

Sending hugs to Stripey and hope Sos has slept well for another day.

StripeyChina · 16/04/2019 07:35

I just wanted to say 'thanks' for the kind words about Ddog.
I posted in a tired sad blurt - it doesn't really belong on a Brexit thread and in no way compares to SOS situation with DGD. But, Thank you

Flowerplower · 16/04/2019 07:40

Flowers Stripey

frumpety · 16/04/2019 07:42

Got to go to work , quick non brexity question, feel free to ignore, can I add sugar to my plum gin even after months ? its not as syrupy as I would like , although tastes ok Grin

Iambuffy · 16/04/2019 07:43

That's sad stripey im sorry x
Hoping sos and her dgd had a decent night?
I'm feeling very deflated by it all. Perhaps it's been the difficult week family wise, I don't know.
ds1 is going into school revising for his gcses and all.I can think is "I hope they take place! "
the Nancy Pelosi tjing.is interesting and yet another example.of how isolated the uk is from the rest of the world.
Our would be victims have powerful.friends.....

Fleabag123 · 16/04/2019 07:50

I’m so angry with the response to the Brexit inquiry petition. So patronising, and yet more lies. That “80% voted for parties who pledged to enact Brexit” line is particularly galling.
Not good having a furious start to the day!!

Sostenueto · 16/04/2019 07:59

Looks like good news this morning. Blood blisters a lot better in mouth. Rash fading, bruising turning yellow and dgd up and in shower. Nurse reckons steroids now working and depending on blood tests later today and platelet count she could be out in a day or two! What a relief! Worst few days of my life but hopefully she will recover fully and praying its a one off and not lifelong.

Peregrina · 16/04/2019 08:02

Good to hear this Sos.

RedToothBrush · 16/04/2019 08:09

Alex Wickham @alexwickham
EXC: White supremacists discussed killing MEPs in a private forum used by UKIP candidate Sargon of Akkad to run his Euro election campaign

They also praised the Christchurch mosque terrorist and talked about hanging black people and Jews

Comments by members of a forum used to organise for UKIP

- "Maybe start assassinating Eurocrats"
- "We should strip them of their humanity first. If they're not recognised as humans, it's not murder"
- "So we decapitate the parliament members?"

Members of the forum used by UKIP's star candidate repeatedly praised the Christchurch terrorist

- "Brenton Tarrant was a Hero"
- "Tarrant had a point"
- "you don't have to be honourable in how you kill them"
- "just use nerve gas"

Members also wrote

- "a Final Solution needs to be done for the Jews"
- "I want to hang all n and Jews"

UKIP poster boy and MEP candidate Carl Benjamin said in a statement that his moderators had "missed" the comments made by “unsavoury contributors”

^Full story by @MarkDiStef
and me:^

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/markdistefano/sargon-akkad-discord-ukip-mep-campaign?__twitter_impression=true
A YouTuber Standing As A UKIP Candidate Invited Supporters To A Gaming Community That Has Chatrooms Filled With White Supremacist And Anti-Semitic Content
Sargon of Akkad – one of UKIP’s candidates for the European elections – invited supporters to join a Discord server from a video on his YouTube channel last week.

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dontcallmelen · 16/04/2019 08:15

Stripey so sorry about ddog, must be very hard on all off you💐
Sos very glad to hear dgd is improving💐

Iambuffy · 16/04/2019 08:17

Great news sos

RedToothBrush · 16/04/2019 08:25

Good news SOS. Good to hear she has good news.

Sorry to hear that Stripey. Pets really are part of the family.

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TalkinPaece · 16/04/2019 08:27

stripey I still cry about the long gone cats whose pictures I pop on this thread. Hugs all round.
Sos Ever so pleased that the medics are making her better. Remember to get some rest yourself.

80% voted for How very dare they. Manifestos are many and various. I am sure that argument could be utterly demolished with a little research. That and Manifestos have more than one line.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/04/2019 08:37

sos Such good news that DGD is getting better

Sorry to hear about DDog, stripey
Pets enrich our lives and are part of - sometimes the only - family.
Allow yourself time to grieve when their time runs out

BigChocFrenzy · 16/04/2019 08:41

red That's shocking about those connections between a UKIP candidate and white supremacists advocating mass murder

That must be very close to the criminal offences of incitement to murder / conspiracy to murder / commit terrorism

I hope the Anti-Terrorist Squad / MI5 are monitoring this group

RedToothBrush · 16/04/2019 08:42

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/blind-people-could-be-denied-their-voting-rights-in-european-elections_uk_5cb4a7d0e4b0ffefe3b47feb
Exclusive: Blind People 'Could Be Denied Voting Rights' In Euro Elections
Chaotic and rushed timetable risks undermining preparation for European Parliament polls, Labour warns.

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DGRossetti · 16/04/2019 08:50

Blind People 'Could Be Denied Voting Rights' In Euro Elections

Could be the start of a thing. We've pandered to the disabled too long, really.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/04/2019 08:50

This is why I chose to have my EP vote in Germany: to rule out being excluded in some dodgy way

Funny how it's always seems those groups least likely to vote Tory who are affected by bad planning, or changes like vote ID etc Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 16/04/2019 08:54

I'm partially sighted, but so far my own visual aids are sufficient

It still sends a shudder through me, how easily those of us who are disabled are ignored / forgotten / shoved aside Angry

OublietteBravo · 16/04/2019 08:57

The British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum.

I see this as an attempt to manipulate remain into not voting for Labour in the future. Is that overly cynical?

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lonelyplanetmum · 16/04/2019 09:02

new kittens! Smile