Westminstenders: 1001 Ways to wait for EUCO - Sprouts, Nits and Brexit

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Not much more to say other than, all we can do is wait to hear our fate.

Which seems to lie in the hands of Macron.

I think these tweet sums a lot of it up from a couple of jaded soft leavers

Iain Martin @ iainmartin1
This terrible farce in Brussels tonight is like being British during the eurovision song contest. British entrant awaits fate, watching humiliating results come in, trying to smile for the audience back home.

George Trefgarne @georgetrefgarne
To be honest I think Buck’s Fizz and Cheryl thingummy would have made a better job of it

My advice: Don't wait up!

Pippa Crerar @pippacrerar
EU source on Macron: "He is in a bit of a schizophrenic situation - (his) domestic audience demands that he is tough on Britain for historic reasons. On the other hand, France is among the most-hit in any no-deal Brexit. It will take hours before we pull him down from his tree."

So Macron may end up being the one who gets the UK what it wants but is doing it to be tough on us. I'm not sure I understand EU politics.

TheMShip............is that anywhere near Sedgwick college? That's where we have to go. We go again in July to open days. Dgd looking at Caius, Trinity or St Catherine's. Applying us a long shot, she is already on course grade wise but 34 in her school applied to Oxbridge this year, 16 got interviews but only 10 got offers. Its really really hard to get in especially as dgd is what you call from a deprived social group I.e living in a deprived area, single parent on minimum wage, zero contract hours and very poor! She's not sure she will fit in at Cambridge.

Mother is a single parent that should read.

Quintella

That's essentially The Telegraph, which is supposedly a serious broadsheet not that I read it justifying publishing and disseminating False News for profit

Sostenuto - has DD looked at King’s? It has the highest state school intake at Cambridge - 77%

I just saw a piece about some 'Brexit protestors' blocking an Aldi supermarket near Wirral 'because it is German'.
One of their vehicles used in the blockade was a German campervan :)

Happy UnBrexit Day II, everyone :)

I’m a childminder, Sostenueto. DS is at Cambridge. Your DD will fit in fine
Most of the kids don’t seem to give a damn about parental status and DS’s staircase is a mixture of state and private.

He tells me the only one trying hard to forget his background is the Etonian, who cringes every time JRM is on the news

We have looked tatiana at kings too but its very big and accommodation is high end though a beautiful college. Its hard because to choose one college above another there is so much to consider. Cost of accommodation, bursaries, size of college etc. Dgd is shy and introvert in a huge crowd so we thought maybe smaller colleges like Caius might be more suitable. Also we don't want dgd to have to work because we want her to concentrate on her studies so bursaries which vary widely and cost of accommodation very important because both her mum and myself cannot afford a lot to support her and so we thought maybe accommodation with food might be the way to go so she won't starve. We have resorted to making a spreadsheet to compare not only Cambridge but her other choices of unis as regards all of the above. Quiet honestly its a flipping nightmare!

tanith we have said she should be fine just be herself! But she's not listening. I think its because she's shy and lacks confidence.

Excellent interview and such a good insight from the perspective of Sinn Fein on Brexit

@Tanith an old Etonian headmaster knew my mum and came to her funeral. He died recently but I do wonder what he, and the others, who knew the current shower must be thinking. It made me think that each teacher has to wait until they no longer teach (usually) to see the protegees in action.

This article explains so well why the often spouted will of the people isn't what democracy means at all.

www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2019/0412/1042195-were-fed-up-of-brexit-yet-we-cant-get-enough-of-it/
Whatever the final outcome of Brexit, someone will have to write a tome on Democracy in Britain, whatever is left of it. The hardest lesson about Brexit is that it has exposed the shocking level of ignorance about what democracy is and how it works, even after the luxury of almost 70 years of post-war electoral democracy.

Because she believed the opinion polls and saw a wonderful chance to stick it to Labour.

Again, it doesn't ring true. (Or rather, if it is true the implications are worse for the reputation of TM than they are now ...). However, if it is true, then the subsequent shafting of the Tory party is a sweeter taste. Especially as it pretty much meant that Brexit has to be handled by this parliament. And I suspect that any dodgy money that is needed to keep up the Brexit project - ironically like the EU extension - would come with conditions. The first being to get a clear HoC majority .....

Happy Not Brexit Day 2.0!

I know the thread has moved on a bit, but I’ve been wondering how a revoke would have to be sold to appeal to hard leavers... Agree with pp that if May came out in favour of it, public support would most likely be sinking because May hasn’t exactly been a shining example of good judgment in the past 3 years. A simple case of revoke to avoid no deal wouldn’t appeal to the leavers who dismiss warnings as Project Fear.
In my not expert opinion, the only way the no-dealers would support revoke is if, over the following months, the media kept repeating how bad May’s deal is while also consistently driving home the point that said deal would also be the starting point for any trade deal with the EU. We’ve seen that argument pop up a bit more recently, but it would need to be repeated ad nauseam in the DT, Express etc - the only way to keep our sovereignty is to stay in the EU. Any kind of Brexit would bind us to the WA and turn us into a “vassal state” or whatever. Use the arguments that are there and direct them towards a different outcome.
Not saying that’s what should be done, by the way. Just rambling.

On another note - Annunziata???

DGR - it would be interesting to consider that she held the GE expecting to loose, just as Cameron had thought the Libs would be back in with him. Completely misjudging the atmosphere. I wonder if she wanted a Labour Brexit Mess at that point.

@horseshit - I've been pondering whether, if the EU said we HAD TO GO whether that would work as a pro-revoke trigger for Leavers.

"Oh, they want us to go now do they? Well, we'll show THEM!"

I just want it all to stop.

The hardest lesson about Brexit is that it has exposed the shocking level of ignorance about what democracy is and how it works, even after the luxury of almost 70 years of post-war electoral democracy.

That's the price of finding politics "boring" and not teaching basic politics in school alongside English and Maths. Possibly driven by an entrenched suspicion in the public of anyone who "knows stuff".

Lonely, that would depend I guess. Would they dig in their heels and go for no deal to “show them”, or would they see it as Germany (I see you, Bill Cash.) trying to seize more power by ousting the UK and would want to stay to stop that? Could a revoke possibly be spun as “saving Europe from the Germans again”?

because I've been feeling a little left out over the feline fussing (DW and I aren't pet people ...) here's some pictures of cats

DGR - it would be interesting to consider that she held the GE expecting to loose, just as Cameron had thought the Libs would be back in with him. Completely misjudging the atmosphere. I wonder if she wanted a Labour Brexit Mess at that point.

Now I could believe that - especially given the timing (8 months being time for the various civil servants to demonstrate that there could never be a good Brexit).

There's something spectacular about a system where a party can't even lose an election properly.

Building on the “they WANT us out now!”, if you combine that with “...so they can take our sovereignty by binding us to the WA” AND “because Germany and France want all the power to themselves while still making us pay to use trade rules THEY negotiated”...
That could be fairly effective. It would all rely on driving home the inevitability of the WA, no matter what kind of Brexit.

In the same vein as the Telgraph story, the Irish ambassador to the UK has written a letter to the Spectator calling out their anti Irish bias.

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-ambassador-to-uk-accuses-british-magazine-of-anti-irish-bias-over-brexit-1.3858298

I read the original and it was one of those articles where there was no point in begining to point out half truths and dog whistles

If I was in charge, I’d wait until Megan went into labour. Then quietly revoke and by the time the news moves past royal baby bonanza and realises what happened, I’d be sipping cocktails on a Caribbean beach with two fingers up to the ERG, corbyn and farage.