Westminstenders: 1001 Ways to wait for EUCO - Sprouts, Nits and Brexit

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Not much more to say other than, all we can do is wait to hear our fate.

Which seems to lie in the hands of Macron.

I think these tweet sums a lot of it up from a couple of jaded soft leavers

Iain Martin @ iainmartin1
This terrible farce in Brussels tonight is like being British during the eurovision song contest. British entrant awaits fate, watching humiliating results come in, trying to smile for the audience back home.

George Trefgarne @georgetrefgarne
To be honest I think Buck’s Fizz and Cheryl thingummy would have made a better job of it

My advice: Don't wait up!

Pippa Crerar @pippacrerar
EU source on Macron: "He is in a bit of a schizophrenic situation - (his) domestic audience demands that he is tough on Britain for historic reasons. On the other hand, France is among the most-hit in any no-deal Brexit. It will take hours before we pull him down from his tree."

So Macron may end up being the one who gets the UK what it wants but is doing it to be tough on us. I'm not sure I understand EU politics.

Yvette Cooper would be interesting to see in action.

Yes but there's only an X factor type length of new fangled popularity and ascendancy. So you have to get the timing right. There's no point until an election is imminent.

The new leader has to still be new to annex the things can only get better vote.

Farage should be worried about Assange's arrest. Wasn't he allegedly a go between for communications between the Trump Campaign and Assange regarding the release of hacked Democratic National Committee emails. It might be just a bit grubby rather than criminal but who knows what else Assange has on Farage.

So, from what I've seen of this thread so far, leave supporting posters get criticised when we do post and also when we don't ok. Some folk on here also seem to be actively disappointed that people aren't raging after the October extension? Surely the not raging is a good thing, no?

No it is time for TM to get a dictionary and look up the word compromise, to stop lying, to stop putting herself, then her party before the country, to stop playing her games, and finally to resign.
JC for all his faults has followed his manifesto. I don't agree with him but out of all this fucking mess he at least has put a show on to at least try to compromise as far as his manifesto allows. It is not for him or his party to be the ones to fully give in to what is still the minority however much we feel we are right and more informed however much that hurts to say. TM has never given an inch. Yes we can say that labour is as bad as the Tories putting party first and we are right but labour should not take the blame or responsibility for what is TMs fuck up.
We all know no one in Parliament thinks country first. I'm sorry I am a staunch remainer like most on here but I am trying to be realistic.

Assange is UKs first. Two years (?) in chokey.

Plenty of time to sing - safe from any interference ....

@Bellini yes, the thumb drive. I remember at the time of the ref trying to WikiLeaks Farage; whiter than white

I seem to remember another source saying Farage was facing a prosecution of some sort in a matter of weeks (although that was poss over a month ago now?) and I wonder if a lot of work has been going on behind the scenes to time this.

Corbyn has done nothing, literally nothing to compromise. In what way can he possibly be said to have compromised? Most of his MPs have gone through the lobbies to vote against all the options apart from their own plan, when they aren't the government.

@Louise if leavers were going to rage I think we all expected them to do it the morning after the vote when Nige went on the telly to back peddle.

There have been multiple 'events' non-events since that were said to cause rage... I think the lack of rage posters are referring to is meant to highlight the lack of attention and care leavers are paying Brexit at the moment.

Farage was facing a prosecution

I'd so love this.
There is an office of misfeasance in public office. But the problem is he has never had UK public office!

What's happening to Boris's prosecution by the way. I helped the crowd funding for that I hope it's being well spent. The claim went in in January and was supposed to have been responded to by now?

Corbyn has done nothing, literally nothing to compromise

When did he become PM ?

The onus is on him to compromise because he isn't the PM. He's the one preventing the government from carrying through it's deal. TM should be more open to this as well, of course, but just saying "accept Labour's plan" isn't any form of compromise. TM's plan is already a compromise and she needs to move further IMO.

Since when did the loser have to compromise? Isn't it up to the winner to be magnanimous?

Another thing I had no idea about (long list obvs):

'The end of the parliamentary session also triggers a review of the Conservative government’s confidence and supply agreement with the Democratic Unionist Party, which was struck after the 2017 snap election in which the Tories lost their overall majority. The deal states that both parties are required to review its “aims, principles and implementation”.

The break clause was one reason why Mrs May decided to announce that the parliamentary session would last for two years, rather than the usual one year, in June 2017.

In the present climate, with the DUP implacably opposed to the Brexit deal as it stands, it is all but impossible to see the party issuing another guarantee to support a government led by Mrs May.

The ability to win a Commons vote approving a Queen’s Speech is a necessary condition for a viable government, but without a formal deal with the DUP Mrs May could not be certain it would pass.'

From Francis Elliott Times (C&P from Guardian live at 11:00).

louise JC is following his manifesto and has actually gone further by including a PV which he most certainly does not want but is complying with the labour manifesto even if he's not enthusiastic about it. He is the Opposition leader and not the PM. If you want to blame someone for no compromise than look no further than TM who is the PM and whose deal is so bad that no one wants it.

"UK must resist"
Maybe he's a remainer after all!

As stated, her plan is a compromise, she could and should move further but Labour has to move too IMO.

Of course losers have to compromise. What's the alternative, the loser gets what they want? how does that work in a majoritarian democracy?

@Gaspode - the DUP were meeting with some interesting characters yesterday...

@Louise May invited Corbyn to her saying she would compromise to move things forward.
Not sure what part of that you are struggling with. She hasn't done what she says on the tin.

Thanks @DGRossetti .

That's compromise within Labour. This is of no value in negotiations with a government of a different party.

Well if that is true gaspod could it be possible for DUP to stop supporting May ( though they really hate JC and was probably what spurred them to join Tories) and therefore JC could call a GE as TMs slender majority would be gone?

We've no idea what she has or hasn't done, all we know is that Labour won't accept the offer. The assumption I make it that this is because Labour will not accept any offer. Therefore, they are not compromising.

@Louise May invited Corbyn to her saying she would compromise to move things forward.Not sure what part of that you are struggling with. She hasn't done what she says on the tin.

Exactly.

This isn’t Corbyn’s fault.

This shitstorm can be blamed on nobody but Teresa May (oh, and David Cameron)!

@Louise I'm pretty sure both parties know what they want. One is doing what it said it would do and the other isn't.