Westminstenders: 1001 Ways to wait for EUCO - Sprouts, Nits and Brexit

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Not much more to say other than, all we can do is wait to hear our fate.

Which seems to lie in the hands of Macron.

I think these tweet sums a lot of it up from a couple of jaded soft leavers

Iain Martin @ iainmartin1
This terrible farce in Brussels tonight is like being British during the eurovision song contest. British entrant awaits fate, watching humiliating results come in, trying to smile for the audience back home.

George Trefgarne @georgetrefgarne
To be honest I think Buck’s Fizz and Cheryl thingummy would have made a better job of it

My advice: Don't wait up!

Pippa Crerar @pippacrerar
EU source on Macron: "He is in a bit of a schizophrenic situation - (his) domestic audience demands that he is tough on Britain for historic reasons. On the other hand, France is among the most-hit in any no-deal Brexit. It will take hours before we pull him down from his tree."

So Macron may end up being the one who gets the UK what it wants but is doing it to be tough on us. I'm not sure I understand EU politics.

It's not Corbyn blocking the deal. May could get it through Parliament today if it had the support of her own party and the DUP.
She doesn't and if she wants the support of other parties then it needs to be something they want.

On compromise. If the "winners" can't even compromise amongst themselves how would the "losers" even begin to think of a compromise offer?

The problem atm is that as there is No majority for anything there is No compromise position.

See Peston last night.

Besides which the EU Red lines effectively block off all compromise options. Even WA would reverse back to BRINO as that is the only way to escape the backstop. The Art 50 extension process has also shot the fox that BRINO in any way returns sovereignty, but rather fully illustrates the opposite.

To be fair to Corbyn (and I despise him) he is sensibly leaving all the grown up heavy lifting to Keir Starmer. I too think that TM's idea of compromise is getting other people to do it.

pmk

To be fair to Corbyn (and I despise him) he is sensibly leaving all the grown up heavy lifting to Keir Starmer.

Well that's one key requirement in a great leader (looks at May ... nope)

We've no idea what she has or hasn't done, all we know is that Labour won't accept the offer. The assumption I make it that this is because Labour will not accept any offer. Therefore, they are not compromising.

Hmm, that’s quite an assumption! Two people can’t agree on something, so it must be Corbyn not compromising!

Despite the fact that TM can’t even get her OWN party to agree to it-the problem can’t possibly be her .

I don't despise Corbyn, I genuinely don't in fact I was probably wrong to attribute the blame to him when in reality its his party. He is, however its leader so he should be leading.

The "winners" have compromised among themselves in as far as the TM deal exists. They need to do more, for my money TM needed to face down the ERG "No deal" folks some time back. Talking to Labour is part of doing this but talking to an unwilling partner is fruitless.

I should add he's leaving the grown up heavy lifting to Starmer because he is utterly incapable of being a grown up or heavy lifting (metaphor) himself.

Look louise the only thing Tory and labour have in common is they don't want a no deal brexit. TM has had nearly 3 years to reach across the aisle and form a deal conducive to all sides. She did not do that, she fudged a terrible deal with the EU taking upon herself a task that should never have been a one party task. Then, when she wants extra time to keep ramming down parliaments throat the same crappy deal because never had a plan B she calls labour in for bogus talks as an excuse to get that extra time. She continues to bully and play games. Have you any idea how bad a no deal will be for this country? It is the POOR, the VULNERABLE, the SICK and DISABLED who will suffer. This country is nowhere near ready for a no deal.

I genuinely don't in fact I was probably wrong to attribute the blame to him when in reality its his party

Why is it Labour’s fault? Shouldn’t you be blaming the conservative MPs who aren’t backing the policy of their own party?

Apparently Ecudor has been told Assange won't be extradited to anywhere with the death penalty. I know some states in US don't have it, but I wonder if the UK has a lot it wants to pin on him here instead? gizmodo.com/julian-assange-dragged-out-of-ecuadorian-embassy-and-ar-1833964012

I mean I'm not the brightest spark but I even get its TMs responsibility. She wanted this baby all to herself now she's got it. Pfffft!

*Ecuador

Funny Louise has popped up to shift the blame to Corbyn rather than talk about the extension. I'm going to go out on a limb and imagine Obama is going to be a hot topic for Leave supporters today. Old news.

I am blaming them, and I do blame them. There are however massively more Labour MPs than ERG "no deal" types, 255 vs 80 or so

Remember, we were told that if this day came the streets would be running red with blood. That the fury of "leavers denied" would be on a biblical scale

Oh yeah, I forgot that

Is it still on?

Yes, I was interested to hear the views of leavers about the extension. Not engaging in blame games.

There is much to criticise Labour for in this sorry saga, but even I would not criticise Corbyn for refusing a 'compromise' with a government that does not understand compromise.

The bigger problem is that the Labour position is currently more cake-and-eat-it than the Tory position, primarily because - as the opposition party which is likely to remain in opposition until at least the end of the A50 period - it is under absolutely no obligation to come up with a workable Brexit proposition.

I should add he's leaving the grown up heavy lifting to Starmer because he is utterly incapable of being a grown up or heavy lifting (metaphor) himself.

Nope, still not a bad thing ....

Churchill would probably have struggled to balance his chequebook. Yet after concerns were raised about the cost of Bletchley Park, he took a tour, and as he left, gave his aide a note: Give them whatever they need.

I'm not saying JC is as great as Churchill - that's for others to say. But I am saying that recognising ones inabilities and being able to use others abilities is not necessarily a bad thing. If Labour stop pissing about pretending they are somehow the peoples party because they still committed to a referendum that is really starting to stink, I have nothing against the idea of JC as PM.

There are however massively more Labour MPs than ERG "no deal" types, 255 vs 80 or so

And you think they are duty bound to deliver Tory policy? Lol

This whole thing is the tories fault

The fact we had a referendum

The fact that the referendum was so badly run

The fact that they called a GE and LOST their majority and had to get into bed with the DUP

The fact that the continued tory infighting means that her WA thingy hasn't gone through

Last minute talks with labour that shoukd have taken place earlier and in which the tories aren't compromising...just attempting to persuade

All their fault...the lot

The opposition are shit but none of this is labours fault

And ive seen oeople saying its tory voters fault

But in the same way that i dont blame leave voters for this current fuckup i dont blame tory voters for the car crash referendum

You'd have thought there would have been a degree of competency in these things!

PMK

Apparently Ecudor has been told Assange won't be extradited to anywhere with the death penalty. I know some states in US don't have it,

But the federal government does.

Just to state here and now, I am absolutely opposed to the UK extraditing anyone, anywhere if there is a chance they would face the death penalty. I was quite shocked (and haven't forgotten ...) to discover the UK could do that - which demonstrates that there's still scope for human rights to be improved.

I think Canada refuses to extradite in capital cases - which really pisses the US off (if "Law and Order" is a fair reflection ...)

Oh god do i have to do that disclaimer thingy where i say i am not a labour supporter?

Suppose i do...

I am not a labour supporter

PMK