Not in my children's name

[drivinmecrazy]

I am getting increasingly angry with this whole issue.
My children were born into a world where they were allowed to dream beyond borders, they had no deal of Empire or even the commonwealth. They were children of an harmonious block of neighbouring allies.
Yet those of us of another generation are doing our utmost to take these opportunities away from them without any good reason.
How are my children's lives going to be improved by Brexit? How are their dreams going to be enhanced by shutting our borders and closing our minds?
As an adult I'm not convinced by the economic benefits we would gain, as a parent I'm certain my children will not benefit from living on a tiny island without favourable economic trading opportunities with our nearest neighbours, or without freedom of movevent of dreams.
I'm crying inside for the things our children may not forgive us for in the future.
My own children are 13 & 18. As you might expect my elder child is desperately hoping for a PV, as are most of her friends. My 13 year old wants to know why we consider ourselves so different to the rest of the EU.
Do you ever think about what is being taken from your children?
I know this is a rather emotive post but I am just so bloody angry on my DD's behalf.
We are not only responsible for the here and now, we need to think to the future generations

I would suggest about 5 years for a 'sell by' date.

Personally I think there is a very good argument that the mandate expired when May lost the GE. She ran on a Brexit is Brexit manifesto and lost.

Politically it would be hard to insist on that, but I think it's perfectly reasonable now to say that any government will need a new Brexit mandate either via another referendum or by winning a GE on a clear Brexit manifesto.

The problem is that like it or not, whatever slender majority there was for Brexit has now disappeared. It will be very hard politically for any government to impose hardship, or a very unpopular deal, on the nation with no clear mandate to do so. As the local elections showed, voters will punish parties at the polls, and there is real potential now for both main parties to see a catastrophic collapse in support.

Will be interesting to see what happens at the European Elections Misti. That will be a much better indication as to the general feeling about leaving or not.
Bare in mind the new Brexit party didn't put forward any candidates for the local elections.

Doubletrouble99
Maybe you would like to post the Brexit party's manifesto where it explains in detail how it is going to achieve staggering improvements when the UK leaves? You don't need to be shy.

The priorities for this country should be:
Keeping citizens safe (too much crime atm)
Education (needs reform, better chances for everyone and how can we truly be 'global Britain' if modern language learning isn't encouraged?)
Health (protect the nhs, an unhealthy nation isn't very productive)
Housing (soaring homelessness is shocking on all levels)
And of course a planet that's still compatible with life

HOW ON EARTH is the extremely costly Brexit project, with ZERO immediate return on investment justifiable in this current context?! Honestly?

In fact there are around 700 pieces of legislation that will need to be changed and rewritten when the UK leaves. How about someone putting up say 5 of them and saying how they will be materially changed and what to, with justifications of course.

Priorities for this country should be:
-keep citizens safe, reduce crime
-keep citizens healthy, protect the nhs
-give everyone the tools to be successful; make sure there's better access to good education
-housing crisis
-protect the environment and help preserve a planet that's actually habitable

HOW ON EARTH DOES BREXIT HELP WITH ANY OF THAT? It's extremely expensive with zero immediate return on investment and questionable long term forecast. How is it justifiable in the current context?

Sorry for double post- it looked like it had crashed the first time...

Clerc glad to see you're back on form. I think that most EU legislation that has been enacted into UK legislation can be adopted directly with only minor amendments to replacement words such as "where it states EU to be replaced by UK", etc. A lot of these type of legislative minor amendment changes can happen through singular enavctments.

If you wish to provide me with 1-5 pieces of legislation that needs to be rewritten, and your reasons and/or justifications for choosing each one, I will be more than happy to go through them and provide my suggestions for amendment.

I probably won't be able to report back too quickly as I'm just one insignificant person and don't have aides, advisors, a civil service, committees, sub-committess and working groups to assist me; unlike our Legislature, which does.

{I probably won't be able to report back too quickly as I'm just one insignificant person and don't have aides, advisors, a civil service, committees, sub-committess and working groups to assist me; unlike our Legislature, which does.}

Since it has already been 3 years and the UK still hasn't quite decided if it wants to leave, how long do you think this work should take?
Secondly, if the UK is just going to cut and paste (cue Clavinola) what is the point of leaving?

{I probably won't be able to report back too quickly as I'm just}
Excuses excuses.

Leclerc obviously you already know that the New Brexit Party are not going to produce a manifesto until after the EU elections which they are fighting on a democratic principal.

Leclerc, The situation with the legislation is as has been discussed loads in the past that the legislation is being transferred to UK law as is at the moment. This then gives us time to go through all the legislation fully and consider properly if it is of value to us or requires change.

Apologies for the extra is!

Clerc you asked for a MNetter to come up with some suggestions to 5 of 700 pieces of legislation. You have posted on MN and I'm a MNetter not the bloody Govt. Hardly an excuse describing that I'm 1 person.

Either you wanted a Mnetter to respond to your suggestion or you were just posting 'into the wind'/venting. Venting is a perfectly acceptable MN thing to do. I honestly think you would enjoy this site more if you ventured out and explored the many, many other Boards and Threads there are here.

The world is bigger than Europe and I am glad my children understand that.

{ I honestly think you would enjoy this site more if you ventured out and explored the many, many other Boards and Threads there are here.}

Oh I do far better than that by being outside and exploring Europe.

Doubletrouble99
So you are suggesting that a manifesto gets written AFTER you have voted the party in. Do you realise how stupid that is and sounds?
How do you know that the second item on the Brexit party's 'wish list' is selling off the NHS?

I'm sure you do Clerc - only Europe? The World is just as user whatever says - bigger than Europe (which is also bigger than the EU).

So, do you want a Mnetter to come up with some legislation amendments or not? It doesn't look like you do really, just another MNetter venting, which is fine.

{How do you know that the second item on the Brexit party's 'wish list' is selling off the NHS?}

Where in the non-existent manifesto does it state that?

I suppose I have only visited 41 countries, I think I need to get out more.

{Where in the non-existent manifesto does it state that?}
Well with Farage being 'buddies' with Mr Trump and very keen on Trumps ideas who says it is NOT on the manifesto?

The world is bigger than Europe and I am glad my children understand that

I see this argument a lot, and it makes no sense. In what way does freedom of movement with Europe stop people getting jobs in or having holidays in the US, Australia, China or Chile?

I had forgotten 5 beginning with I so that will be 46 countries.

Much the same as me then clerc. Do whatever you please, go wherever you want to... you've nothing to lose by exploring MN further, the Brexit board is a bit quiet at the mo after all.

Must be all those MNetters living their lives, getting dc to bed, preparing for work and school tomorrow, etc, etc, etc

There's plenty of other MN Topics to choose from, and if an interest demands its own Board it gets one. Hence the MN Brexit Board - and how you found yourself here. All of us here have stumbled across MN in one way or another - rather than have a closed mind about all these Mums and their Mumstuff, open it up and explore MN. You do know blokes are as welcome as anyone - none of us necessarily say if we are male or female as it doesn't mostly matter on an anonymous forum.

IMO it's up to the Leavers to say which pieces of legislation they wish to see amended and what their proposals for the amendments are. After all, they are the ones who wanted to take back control of our laws.

Usually they want to cut Red Tape - which law(s) would this apply to, and who would be the beneficiaries?

Le Clerc - you really are surpassing yourself with this load of crock aren't you! The idea that Trump, who has absolutely no idea about an NHS and how it works translates into Farage wanting to dismantle the NHS is pure bonkers. Next you'll be saying that Farage wants us all to have guns and scrap our gun laws because Trump says this is going to solve the violence problems in the US!!

{Well with Farage being 'buddies' with Mr Trump and very keen on Trumps ideas who says it is NOT on the manifesto?}

• so just an inference then - a bit of an huge leap of any sort of connection other than this bloke knows that bloke so obviously if you vote for the Brexit Party in the EU Elections you want to sell the NHS.

Now that sounds a bit stupid to me.