Not in my children's name

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I am getting increasingly angry with this whole issue.
My children were born into a world where they were allowed to dream beyond borders, they had no deal of Empire or even the commonwealth. They were children of an harmonious block of neighbouring allies.
Yet those of us of another generation are doing our utmost to take these opportunities away from them without any good reason.
How are my children's lives going to be improved by Brexit? How are their dreams going to be enhanced by shutting our borders and closing our minds?
As an adult I'm not convinced by the economic benefits we would gain, as a parent I'm certain my children will not benefit from living on a tiny island without favourable economic trading opportunities with our nearest neighbours, or without freedom of movevent of dreams.
I'm crying inside for the things our children may not forgive us for in the future.
My own children are 13 & 18. As you might expect my elder child is desperately hoping for a PV, as are most of her friends. My 13 year old wants to know why we consider ourselves so different to the rest of the EU.
Do you ever think about what is being taken from your children?
I know this is a rather emotive post but I am just so bloody angry on my DD's behalf.
We are not only responsible for the here and now, we need to think to the future generations

Ahem

Peace and love?

The most bizarre thing that I've noticed since Brexit is the number of m/c people now devastated that their children might miss out on Erasmus, travel or working in Europe when up until now they have been quite happy to vote for the conservative party who didn't give two hoots about all of the children living in poverty without access to good schools, healthcare or housing

Liverpool voted to remain. Lots of deprivation there (also lots of Irish heritage of course - maybe they did think about the GFA).

And I suppose you'd call me middle class and I did care about Erasmus but I also cared very much about workers' rights. Not sure the EU can do anything about schools, healthcare or housing however. But I've never voted Tory in a GE (or anything other than local on local issues).

I haven't said "all" in regards to any of the points I raised.

I also haven't said issues of poverty or deprivation are necessarily caused by the EU.

What I have said is that posters are complaining about leave voters depriving their children of "a world without borders" or of the ability to participate in Erasmus.

My point is that for many people who voted leave, the continuation of Erasmus was probably not the most important concern.

And if some voters think that everyone else in the country should be considering their children before voting why haven't conservative voters considered the children growing up in poverty and austerity before voting? Because they were voting for their own benefit is why. So they can't be that shocked when in the referendum voters voted for what they thought was in their own interest.

Seeing as 70% of conservative constituencies voted leave, I guess your talking about a relatively small proportion of those that voted little. What’s more ironic are the conservative leave voters that whinged about access to the NHS and education without any awareness of what would happen when they voted in a conservative, austerity supporting government. And then blamed immigration for their own mess. But hey, horses for courses and all that.

The numbers don't matter.

No conservative voter has the right to complain that leave voters didn't consider their child's right to access Erasmus imo.

lets not be angry at the extremely wealthy people who have lied about brexit for their own gain- and who will bring this country to its knees - lets be angry at middle class people who dare to complain.

yup brilliant logic there.

No conservative voter has the right to complain that leave voters didn't consider their child's right to access Erasmus imo

Recent analysis of polling data and voting trend indicates that the middle class and better educated (in terms of certificates) tend to vote labour.

Conservative voters are becoming less educated and more working class, this may be linked to their fondness for authoritarianism.

Hhmmm. Given that my home town is a wealthy town that always votes Tory and the neighbouring borough is w/c LA housing and one of the most deprived boroughs and always votes Labour I might just be a little sceptical there.

That's right, deprived areas never vote Tory. That's why Thatcher never became PM . No , wait ....

It's a trend the demographics are shifting.

It doesn't mean it is a cast iron fact now.

More younger, middle class, well educated people are voting labour. More young working class people are starting to vote Tory.

Class is becoming less of an indicator for voting intention.

The constituency borders worked out great for the Tories in Thatcher’s time.

Actually what's changing is the age profile. In the past, people tended to move right as they got older. This is no longer happening to the same extent, partly because demographic change is making younger voters more socially liberal (younger voters are less likely to be white British and more likely to have a uni education).

So age is a better predictor of party vote and referendum vote than class.

This also means that relatively wealthier people are more likely to have voted Tory/leave because of the concentration of asset ownership in this older group.

The other factor is that young people are moving to work in cities, hollowing out smaller communities where thatcherism and austerity have destroyed opportunities. This has an important political effect because it concentrates Labour votes in cities, where many votes are "wasted" because of enormous majorities. It means that given an equal vote share Tories will almost always win more seats.

I can understand that people are worried about their childrens' futures but if I had children I would be far more worried about climate change, overpopulation, water shortages, food shortages etc.

I really don't see how not being able to travel/work freely in Europe is more worrying

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-d-day-landings-switchboard-award-legion-d-honneur-marie-scott-a8859046.html

This story touched my heart, so lucide at 92, hates the idea of brexit and thinks many of the men of died in Normandy would be horrified at what is happening.
Certainly my Grandad (WW1 navy) Uncle (WW2 RAF) both voted to stay in, in 1975.

This generation are the ones that really laid down their lives for their children's future.

Funny enough I am getting increasingly angry at those that are bleating on about their child not being able to dream beyond borders bollocks.
What the fuck do you think the chances are for the average kid now compared to twenty odd years ago.
Minimum wage jobs,zero hours contracts,student fees,no apprenticeships to speak of,bugger all chance of being able to dream about affording a roof over their head,increased chance of being mugged,beaten up stabbed,increasing mental health crisis in the young,on and on it goes,so many have no fucking hope.
I’m alright Jack my mortgage is paid off ,but I despair for kids growing up today.They don’t know how hard things are for them compared to previous generations.

I really don't see how not being able to travel/work freely in Europe is more worrying

I think points like losing Erasmus is not the only reason people dislike Brexit it is the cherry on top kind of point.

There are all these other reasons, economic, social etc and to put the cherry on top they are taking Erasmus off my children. The straw that broke the camels back kind of reason.

Indeed there are lots of other more concerning issues. Still doesn't stop you being pissed off by the other things.

but if I had children I would be far more worried about climate change, overpopulation, water shortages, food shortages etc

I imagine most parents manage to worry about all sorts of things - but its interesting you compartmentalise Brexit as somehow separate from the environment when most environmental groups are against Brexit because it will weaken our environmental protections, and drastically weakens our science and research communities - the last three years spent faffing around certainly won't have helped either.

Food shortages are also a concern. - You wouldn't know it if you only listened to Brexiteers of course - but we haven't been self-sufficient in food since the 1880': if food prices rise dramatically in a no deal scenario, obvs it won't hurt Boris, JRM, or Farage at all, but it will hurt poorer families the most.

Minimum wage jobs,zero hours contracts,student fees,no apprenticeships to speak of,bugger all chance of being able to dream about affording a roof over their head,increased chance of being mugged,beaten up stabbed,increasing mental health crisis in the young,on and on it goes,so many have no fucking hope

Nothing at all to do with the EU and all to do with the same politicians who will still be in power post Brexit.... touching you think they'll change!

I despair for kids growing up today.They don’t know how hard things are for them compared to previous generations

Rubbish, the post war generations had it pretty good, i did, as did all my w/c friends.... fwiw your post is contrary

55% of labour constituencies voted leave too

It's a never ending debate. If only we had some facts.

1 fact might be : immigration is currently higher from non EU countries so those concerned about housing pressures and prices will see no relief after Brexit.....unless the economy is wrecked in which case people will not come here as often.

1. Yes, over population, climate change, natural disasters, antibiotic resistance are all big worries. If only we were part of a club including hundreds of millions of people that could agree on plans to influence these things rather than being a small country trying to influence China and india..... know of any clubs we could join?

@Sunshine1239 none of those things are caused by the EU.
Leave voters were duped by disaster capitalists into thinking people who voted Remain had been duped by woolly liberalism.
What a shitshow

Oi!

I've always been a woolly liberal - I didn't need to get duped into it.

No conservative voter has the right to complain that leave voters didn't consider their child's right to access Erasmus imo

I don't disagree with that at all.

But I neither voted Tory nor to leave the EU, so you will understand why I am furious.