Westminstenders: Compromise is a difficult word

[RedToothBrush]

Today the HoC had a water leak. It closed the house for the day. This isn't without consequence; any hope for the opportunity of Indicative Votes on Monday had cold water poured on it.

Meanwhile talks between talks between May and Corbyn were about as productive as you'd imagine. But apparently they had nice tea and biscuits.

The Cooper Bill, the last minute lock on May getting a extension to prevent no deal, has been in the Lords today. I say it's been in the Lords but Tories have filibuster Ed on procedure for over 6 hours to prevent the chance of it passing the house. Tory whips are timetabled until 6am but the opposition benches have vowed to go to 7.30am. So far the votes to ruin the procedure have failed comfortably so the opposition have the number. Its just a question of time.

The trouble is with the Lords not sitting tomorrow that means the bill won't get passed until Monday and there are fears it won't get royal assent until Tuesday.

The bill doesn't prevent accidental no deal but it would be a barrier to May.

It therefore looks like May's gambit with the EU to get an extension is to say her plan is ongoing talks with Labour for a cross party solution. It won't wash.

No deal looks more and more likely.

PestyMachtubernahme Thu 04-Apr-19 23:07:26

Russia has a GDP roughly equivalent to Spain.
Oh
It could do with a strong and stable neighbour, that is unlikely to invade.

*The USA has more interest in an unstable EU.^

YY to that. Donald Trump wants to destroy the EU.
www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/opinion/brexit-news.html

There's a reference to Russia here that is not convincing, more pro forma than anything else. Putin is perfectly fine with the EU as long as it pays for natural gas and keeps its hands off Ukraine and sells cars in Russia/operates factories there.

Britain is ruled today by a party that wants to disconnect from a connected world. The notion that the U.K. will suddenly get a great free-trade deal from Trump as soon as it quits the E.U. is ludicrous. Trump believes in competitive nationalism, and the very reason he is promoting the breakup of the E.U. is that he believes America can dominate the E.U.’s individual economies much better than when they negotiate together as the single biggest market in the world...

...It’s being led by a ship of fools — a Conservative Party bloc that is now radical in its obsession with leaving Europe and a Labour Party that has gone Marxist. If the people here can’t force their politicians to compromise with one another and with reality (there’s still a glimmer of hope that this might happen), there is going to be a crackup of the British political system and some serious economic pain.

You definitely can't persuade everyone, @LonelyTiredandLow! Only those who are already a little on the fence I think. And for those on the fence you could try (if you can stand it, and it has to be sincere!) giving them a way out like, "I kind of admire people who voted leave in 2016 because I think it showed courage and a belief in your country and what it can do. Do you think now we've seen what the idiots in Westminster are really like that they can deliver your vision?" In my training we were told not to use the word "but" because everyone knows we only mean the part after the "but". Then ask them what they think of some of the quotes Led by Donkeys are putting on billboards. I think it takes several conversations, not just one.

Of course, what do I know, bear in mind this is coming from the person whose MP blocked her on Facebook messenger! 🤣

I live in a very old and very beautiful 17th century house, I could afford my flat because it had been on the market for years so I paid very little for it...but the building is in constant need of maintenance and repair, and maintenance payments were kept far too low for far too long by the management company so it’s a constant struggle. However, it’s in better nick than Parliament, which cheers me up.
I agree with pps about Gove, though certain limited aspects of his tenure were OK. A certain amount of extra rigour and higher expectations all round weren’t bad. DD would be a wonderful teacher, but won’t - quite rightly - go near the profession, as she values her emotional and physical well-being.

Oh and I second registering with an online pharmacy. But don’t say you need extra Brexit related supplies, they will say that these are not necessary and supply not a problem...NDA?

Morning all and thanks red for thread.

Thanks for the new thread.

.

Thank you for the excellent summary cordelia, that's a huge part of why I left. The horrendous poverty the kids had been forced into (always had my desk drawer full of snacks, many kids never had breakfast) and not being able to do anything properly about it was devastating too.

One problem with drugs that we are not able to stockpile is the companies selling them may well increase the price. Morally dubious but commercially sound.

The issues surrounding availability of meds like gabapentin and pregabalin may be in part due to the reclassification as class C controlled drugs as of this month. ?

Trying to sit on my hands and avoid Facebook this morning as very vocal no deal supporter I vaguely know through my hobby is ranting on a friends post. Said person applied for an Irish passport within days of the referendum and doesn't like it if, every time she says there is zero benefit to being in the EU, you ask her why. Last time it ended with me telling her to buy a dictionary and look up hypocrisy.

Flextension is the new word of the day.

Tusk apparently going to offer an extension of up to a year, with the option to leave earlier, if a deal is ratified.

Downing Street writing to Tusk today asking for an extension.

This link is only from the Standard but I assume it is accurate reflection of what S&P said.

"Brexit has cost the British economy £550 million a week since the referendum, a report has found.
Standard & Poor's suggested that since the June 2016 vote, 3 per cent has been shaved off GDP.
That equates to "forgone economic activity" of £6.6 billion in each of the 10 quarters since the referendum, or £66 billion, the credit ratings agency said."

evening~standard

What follows is new from me (as practising valid lessons from flower) ..in a way I admire Leavers' bravery and risk taking ability in continued support for this change. I just wish I also trusted the current government's vision to deliver a positive change rather than a negative one..

This link is only from the Standard but I assume it is accurate reflection of what S&P said.

"Brexit has cost the British economy £550 million a week since the referendum, a report has found.
Standard & Poor's suggested that since the June 2016 vote, 3 per cent has been shaved off GDP.
That equates to "forgone economic activity" of £6.6 billion in each of the 10 quarters since the referendum, or £66 billion, the credit ratings agency said."

evening~standard

What follows is new from me (as practising valid lessons from flower) ..in a way I admire Leavers' bravery and risk taking ability in continued support for this change. I just wish I also trusted the current government's vision to deliver a positive change rather than a negative one..

Sorry for double post- I got the retry button!

Labour win Newport.
Smaller maj. Low turnout.
twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1113909941000130560

The low turnout at Newport, makes me wonder if the UK revoked, given the number of people who never normally voted but did in the referendum, whether those people would then bother to vote in the future ?

Apparently, the UKIP voted doubled, according to The Guardian.

In Newport, sorry.

*Countrygirl
*
Don't sit on your hands maybe try something new I'm switching from my normal blunt these are the facts approach to using flowerpower's technique.

I'm going to try sharing an article about medication NHS worries on FB just with friends who I suspect voted Leave. Then follow the " in a way I admire Leavers' bravery ...." approach.

lonely No deal costs:
Aerospace spent £ 500m in last few months
Food and Drinks industry £100m a week
British Retail Consortium £100s m
£800m a week lost from Br Economy
Banking Industry estimates £1trillion Being transferred to Europe
80% of the economy has contracted
www.channel4.com/news/no-deal-brexit-preparations-costing-industry-hundreds-of-millions

There were concerns they would be second, Justanothemile .

Yes woman I know ...I'm practising a new winning people round technique.

Merkel quotes Westminstenders.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-irish-border-angela-merkel-iron-curtain-germany-eu-backstop-a8855551.html