Westminstenders: Compromise is a difficult word

[RedToothBrush]

Today the HoC had a water leak. It closed the house for the day. This isn't without consequence; any hope for the opportunity of Indicative Votes on Monday had cold water poured on it.

Meanwhile talks between talks between May and Corbyn were about as productive as you'd imagine. But apparently they had nice tea and biscuits.

The Cooper Bill, the last minute lock on May getting a extension to prevent no deal, has been in the Lords today. I say it's been in the Lords but Tories have filibuster Ed on procedure for over 6 hours to prevent the chance of it passing the house. Tory whips are timetabled until 6am but the opposition benches have vowed to go to 7.30am. So far the votes to ruin the procedure have failed comfortably so the opposition have the number. Its just a question of time.

The trouble is with the Lords not sitting tomorrow that means the bill won't get passed until Monday and there are fears it won't get royal assent until Tuesday.

The bill doesn't prevent accidental no deal but it would be a barrier to May.

It therefore looks like May's gambit with the EU to get an extension is to say her plan is ongoing talks with Labour for a cross party solution. It won't wash.

No deal looks more and more likely.

lonely

It is a worry about gabapentin/ pregabalin because these painkillers are the only ones that work with my condition Yes I have MST but that is for pancreas pain. Morphine does not work for dystonia as it is a nerve/muscle condition and without these I can't walk hardly at all.
Has there been any mention of Baclofen ( MS meds) shortage. Its another med I rely on( sigh).

Thanks for the new thread Red. Wishing you all the best with your moving plans.

"I'm going to try sharing an article about medication NHS worries on FB just with friends who I suspect voted Leave. Then follow the " in a way I admire Leavers' bravery ...." approach."
Go Lonely ! Good luck.
Looking forward to reading how you get on.

Personally, I've given up on several leavers I knew. They were too far gone for me. I do know a few more and I'm up for learning a little flowerpower.
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I've been wondering the same frumpety

I'd say half the leavers I know want to revoke now.

Not because they would have voted to remain, but they can see that a customs Union / close tie /whatever they think the WA ties them to is worse than remaining. A few have even signed the petition, and most have acknowledged that they were not given enough information prior to the referendum.

The other half are 'bored', and 'just want them to get on with it' and leave with no deal.

One of these groups tend towards the socio-economic group that will be hardest hit by a no deal brexit. Go figure.

Oooh, looks like Assange doesn't get a month's notice! Homeless within hours to days!

Oh good luck @lonelyplanetmum please let me know how you get on!

I will try to find a summary of techniques I learned and post a link, @GroovieGazelloo. It was the best training I ever attended - work paid for it and then I used the techniques on my boss to get him to put me forward for promotion !

Interesting development on long delay, on R4

As usual not straightforward. Does she have to delay or not Cox yes this guy no

So he says long delay or no deal, stuff all else (Jenkins)

This article looks pretty good. It's about public health but the techniques apply. A key quote: "Make it possible for the other party to back down without feeling humiliated (e.g. by identifying changed circumstances which could justify a changed position on the issue.)"

www.healthknowledge.org.uk/public-health-textbook/organisation-management/5a-understanding-itd/negotiating-influencing

I don’t know any leavers who’ve changed their mind - in fact their more leave now mic some remainers who’ve turned. But then I’m from the north and so in line with the latest poll. It defo sends a message to the government when only London and Scotland want remain over no deal

What Tusk has suggested makes sense. It's what I argued on the other thread - the EU does not want to be responsible for no deal and causing untold and unknown problems for its citizens in the UK as well as remain voters and that's without the very large issue that no deal causes a massive problem for Ireland. If it sits tight, this may all fizzle out and we remain.

Juncker said they won't throw out a member state (he may regret saying that, are the more extreme politicians in Poland and Hungary listening).

So, it comes down to our MPs and cabinet ministers in particular.

A damaging no deal exit next Friday, or up to another year to come up with a solution?

If our MPs choose to put us through it, that's not the EU's fault.

If it is no deal, remember who is responsible. Not the EU.

Tom Watson on Radio 4 soon.

Barry Brexit Gardiner on Any Questions tonight - god help us.

This looks very good - it's a workbook developed for local counsellors.
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Good for Tusk

It’s a you sort it out and let us know when you’re have

Great way to have a breather from it

You have

@Flowerplower, glad you are back this morning, saw this overnight and wanted to ask you about it.From a previous post of yours, you wrote I think referring to engaging with people who hold different views and giving them a way out “If you can stand it, and it has to be sincere!”

How does the first part of that sentence match the second, how can the engagement and the offer be sincere if you only have to offer this, “if you can stand it?”

Apparently labour are getting candidates lined up for EU elections. Tom Watson now on radio 4.

Oh great, my meds are used for bipolar as well. I've only just started getting used to them. I'll be really pissed off if I have to change or can't get them. I have an appointment with my GP today so hoping to get a few months supply.

It's all just so bloody tiresome having to think about this stuff.

Mother - the Lords still have to complete the reading on Monday but seem to think that that it can get the Royal Assent in time for the EU Council

mother can't find the result of the bill in the Lords

@faisalislam
* Cooper-Letwin Bill Second Reading passes in the Lords (no division, on the nod) - lords adjourned - rest of the stages/amendment voted on Monday.

@IanDunt
This has been a very good week. Since Monday, the chance of no-deal happening has declined significantly.

Louise I admire your bravery for coming into threads where I think you have often been in a minority and engaging meaningfully with different ranges of views.

It is perceptive to note that the ' if you can stand it' comment may be seen as inherently contradictory and I hadn't noticed that aspect.

It may be that Flower was giving some Remainers a chance back down without feeling humiliated.So in effect she was identifying changing circumstances to justify a slightly changed position on issues?

Hi @LouiseCollins28 I say "if you can stand it" because many of us on both sides have entrenched positions now. So I really do believe voting leave was courageous, others won't believe that so therefore they shouldn't say it. Only say things that you believe to be true. That's what I meant anyway but I probably could have phrased "if you can stand it" much better!

To Ian Dunt - let's not count any chickens until they have all hatched.
I hope that Brexit first gets kicked into the long grass by an extension and then enough people want Remain/BINO that it gets forgotten about.

Except we won't be able to forget it - we will have to start mending our fences, left, right and centre.