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Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 19:20

After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

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horseshit · 03/04/2019 18:52

Every time a Tory says it’s condescending to point out that people didn’t know what they were voting for, red mist descends.
Nobody had any way of knowing what leaving would look like, unless they had a goddamn fucking crystal ball and somehow foresaw this entire shit show. In which case, why would they have voted for it?

Tanith · 03/04/2019 18:53

"To Yvette Cooper: your constituents voted to Leave by 66% to 33%. You failing to represent the views of a majority of the constituents who elected you to serve them is not fair"

She can cancel out Jeremy Hunt, who represents a Remain area - was actually Remain himself - and changed to Leave when he thought it would best for his career to do so.

howabout · 03/04/2019 18:53

Friend of mine went to school with Yvette. Even then she was "that" girl who always has to "be best" at absolutely everything while being difficult to dislike openly (apparently)

If we reclaim our Unicorn the rUK will just have to adopt Tigger surely Grin

Statement from Labour looks like JC is following DGR's advice Smile In my defence I was kind of assuming GO meant jettison TM and usher in some Tory nutter thus guaranteeing Revoke in a straight Revoke vs No Deal vote. (changing Leader still doesn't change the Parliamentary arithmetic in favour of the ERG and co)

Sostenueto · 03/04/2019 18:55

Barclay now speaking snake that he is!

CordeliaEarhart · 03/04/2019 18:55

Horseshit - that is about it. The cat is both dead and alive until you open the box. At which point, the cat was always dead / always alive. It actually started because schrodinger was trying to highlight the absurdity of quantum theory, but it turned out the analogy was correct.

BercowsSilkTie · 03/04/2019 18:55

Seely and Barclay are twits

AutumnCrow · 03/04/2019 18:55

Stephen Barclay who missed most of the debate now waltzes in to miss the point and all the fucking points.

Sostenueto · 03/04/2019 18:55

Off for a bit.

SisterMichael · 03/04/2019 18:56

Does anyone else feel Olly Robbins is too old to be an Olly? Also it always makes me think of Olly Reeder in TTOI.

BercowsSilkTie · 03/04/2019 18:56

When is the actual vote?

Belindabelle · 03/04/2019 18:57

I cannot stand that Barclay.

AutumnCrow · 03/04/2019 18:57

Barclay is getting the tone completely wrong.

BercowsSilkTie · 03/04/2019 18:59

Tory twit

BercowsSilkTie · 03/04/2019 19:00

I hope it passes

Runningintothesunset · 03/04/2019 19:01

Vote is now

Motheroffourdragons · 03/04/2019 19:02

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HazardGhost · 03/04/2019 19:02

Just seen a clip JC said there wasn't as much change as he would of liked but he's hopeful or someit.

vanitythynameisnotwoman · 03/04/2019 19:03

@Motheroffourdragons I agree - she and much of the rest of Labour should have voted for Joanna Cherry's motion - she's only one of my heroes!

But I have admired her for a number of years - tbf I thought highly of her and pretty poorly of Ed Balls in their Shadow Cabinet years - she does seem a very serious person and maybe she's ambitious but, aren't the all. Joanna Cherry's was much more solid - this is kind of different though there's bound to be attempts at amendments shortly to try and add that.

Query for those who know this stuff much better than me - how do all the Tories that can't be bothered to listen know to run back to the chamber to be counted?? wasn't there meant to be a shadow cabinet meeting? will they come back given how close it was??

AdaHopper · 03/04/2019 19:03

Has this been reported in the UK?

^"BBC moves partly to the Netherlands because of brexit".

The British public broadcaster BBC puts its emergency plan for the brexit into effect and moves part of its commercial branch to the Netherlands. That's what sources around the organisation say to financial press agency Bloomberg.^

(Translated with DeepL as I am lazy)

m.hln.be/nieuws/buitenland/-bbc-verhuist-deels-naar-nederland-wegens-brexit~abc09d56/

Horehound · 03/04/2019 19:04

So so assume this will pass?

vanitythynameisnotwoman · 03/04/2019 19:05

At least Keir Starmer was there with JC. One grown up in the room!

AutumnCrow · 03/04/2019 19:06

The Whips text the MPs to come and vote.

In the old days they just shouted into the bar.

lonelyplanetmum · 03/04/2019 19:07

Has Barclay really just said that the running down of the clock is due to the inconclusiveness of the indicative votes?

So the three years that have passed don't contribute to running out of time then?

prettybird · 03/04/2019 19:07

Schrödinger's has come to mean (extending on from the Quantum Theory of Schrödinger's Cat) to mean something that simultaneously exists and doesn't exist. Confused (I'm no physicist but I thing it related to things at a sub-atomic level).

See also: Schrödinger's Immigrants - immigrants who simultaneously take all the jobs but also live off benefits Hmm, beloved of Brexiters Confused