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Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 19:20

After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

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horseshit · 03/04/2019 18:33

67chevy Rees-Mogg got richer?

Belindabelle · 03/04/2019 18:35

I hate the fact that an important bill is being debated and the Chamber is almost empty.

woman19 · 03/04/2019 18:35

@Ian Dunt
Trade unions want a People's Vote. Labour members want a People's Vote. If Corbyn opposes it, exactly what does he stand for?

Justanothermile · 03/04/2019 18:36

Okay, what's a Shrodinger's Customs Union?

CordeliaEarhart · 03/04/2019 18:36

Is tonight's bill amendable? Am I going to need wine to get me through the voting?

Horehound · 03/04/2019 18:37

Are there votes tonight?

Sunshine1239 · 03/04/2019 18:37

Not all labour voters want people voters. Huge proportion are leavers!

lonelyplanetmum · 03/04/2019 18:37

💚 Caroline Lucas

CordeliaEarhart · 03/04/2019 18:39

Maybe not - I just assumed there were cos they are debating something. Presumably they are debating it in order to then have a vote? Or maybe I'm just super confused it wouldn't be surprising.

horseshit · 03/04/2019 18:39

Tory rebels on the Cooper Bill.

Westminstenders: The May Compromise
AutumnCrow · 03/04/2019 18:41

Yes, amendments called for. For first grouping by 6.15pm, others up to 7pm.

jasjas1973 · 03/04/2019 18:41

Yvette, if you want to avoid no deal (and you should!) vote for a deal

Mays deal is terrible, even many leavers say worse than staying IN.

Its the PM responsibility to get a great deal for the UK or revoke if you cannot.
Do the best for your country.

Shocking to see any PM going cap in hand to the opposition.

woman19 · 03/04/2019 18:41

What's it all been for
Brexism used as the carrot with which to lead the populist donkey to Harmagiddion as Bob Marley used to call it.

"Meeting useful but inconclusive" according to the Jezza.

@OwenJonee84
The right to live and work where we want is a good thing. Migrants are not responsible for injustices and crimes caused by the powerful.

Labour's abandonment of that argument is a surrender, and when Labour takes office, we will take that case to the streets if needs be.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 03/04/2019 18:42

3 years of businesses leaving, losing EU agencies, losing well qualified EU staff

What's it all been for

If we get CU plus SM or something similar:

To say we've left. But the situation will be similar to now except that we'll have to lobby the EU from outside on laws. And our people won't have the chance to work for the EU unless they have an EU passport as well as a British one. If we join EFTA (not sure they will let us in, or we want to) that could be a new avenue for jobs.

So to answer your question - what's it been for? Dunno.

lonelyplanetmum · 03/04/2019 18:43

Justanother

A Schrödinger's cat is a quantum psychics thing about a hypothetical paradox of a cat which simultaneously alive and dead.

So a Schrödinger's custom's Union is kind of a joke about something that simultaneously is and is not s customs union.

prettybird · 03/04/2019 18:44

MPs have a duty to act in what they consider to be in the best interests of all their constituents (even if you exclude their first other duty: to do what they consider to be in the best interests of the country Confused).

In Yvette Cooper's case, probably c40,000 voted to Leave (estimate only, using Chris Hanretty's analysis given that the counts weren't actually based on parliamentary constituencies). She has over 100,000 constituents Shock. Not doing what she thought was in their best interests is indeed not fair Hmm

See also: MPs are not delegates, they are representatives , which has been explained many times.

AutumnCrow · 03/04/2019 18:44

Antoinette Sandbach (Con) is a very good parliamentarian. Points out that Leave campaign talked of all options other than no deal. Very measured.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 03/04/2019 18:45

I didn't think May's deal was terrible. We had to cough up what we owed, we needed the backstop and we needed to resolve citizens' rights.

The rest wasn't perfect by any means. But if we have to leave we have to accept we have a worse deal than now with the EU. And if you accept we have to compromise on remain/leave, a softish Brexit is the right course.

I want to stay in the EU but I would settle for having largely the same rights as now. I don't care about "sovereignty" and law taking rather than law making. If we can't be in the EU we need the next best thing.

67chevvyimpala · 03/04/2019 18:45

Ffs

Justanothermile · 03/04/2019 18:46

I did Google first and got a Physics answer....Confused

PowerBadgersUnite · 03/04/2019 18:47

Not all labour voters want people voters. Huge proportion are leavers!

Well not all but 72% of members want labour to support a PV according to the below so I wouldn't think there is a huge proportion of leavers voting labour really.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/02/most-labour-members-believe-corbyn-should-back-second-brexit-vote

AutumnCrow · 03/04/2019 18:48

Bill Cash has finally gone publicly nuts - 'German EU ' blah blah.

Bob Seeley - 'water torture'. ffs.

horseshit · 03/04/2019 18:49

justanother I believe the concept is that if you put a cat in a box that has a 50% chance of being filled with a lethal toxin, as long as that box remains closed you don’t know if the toxin has been released, therefore the cat is both dead and alive. I think.

woman19 · 03/04/2019 18:49

EweSurname thanks for that. Along with JRM and the AFD; seems clear which side they are on.

If we get CU plus SM or something similar
No we don't.

Ffs
Yup Chevvy

Sostenueto · 03/04/2019 18:51

TMs deal is a turd. Even leavers don't like it. In a toss up between Mays deal and no deal I'd probably go for no deal if I was a brexiteer tbh.
I want a revoke because PV won't guarantee that remain will win. An outright revoke will stop all this shit dead.
But unfortunately its going to be a no deal and we are out on 12 th.