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Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 19:20

After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

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BercowsSilkTie · 03/04/2019 17:45

Yes but surely May will just overrule that anyway??!! I think it's an end to the pointless votes that mean nothing yet take up lots of time.
T&C need to sort something out now but if they can't it goes back to the house. I think that process is separate to the indicative votes but please correct me if wrong.

Justanothermile · 03/04/2019 17:46

No, the government would effectively do what Ben's motion proposed. Agreed, if there's no agreement with the talks, it goes back to parliament, with the Govt accepting its will.

tobee · 03/04/2019 17:48

Keep re-reading what this division is on bbc parliament and still don't quite understand

LouiseCollins28 · 03/04/2019 17:49

My point was just surprise that the Speaker who has form for discarding precedent opted to follow it in this case when I thought there was a real chance he wouldn't do so.

MarshaBradyo · 03/04/2019 17:49

Bercow does know the rules and follows them, he’s not going to ignore a big part of his job

prettybird · 03/04/2019 17:49

Galvantula Flowers - yes, I was indeed looking for it. I've now saved it Smile

It only becomes more and more appropriate Sad

lonelyplanetmum · 03/04/2019 17:50

So it's back to TM/JC now.

It's like the film sliding doors - something quite small can make a huge difference.Something this big shouldn't be dependent on serendipity.

woman19 · 03/04/2019 17:50

@GuardianHeather
NEW - shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry writes to Labour MPs, insisting JC mustn't agree to any deal without a referendum attached. "Yes, any deal agreed by Parliament must be subject to a confirmatory public vote, and yes, the other option on the ballot must be Remain.

MarshaBradyo · 03/04/2019 17:50

X post on precedent

AutumnCrow · 03/04/2019 17:51

This is the vote on the main motion.

The amendment to that motion was defeated, so is excluded from further consideration.

SassyBadger · 03/04/2019 17:52

Between this arsehole and the Francois arsehole, I'm not sure who's the bigger arsehole.

Westminstenders: The May Compromise
tobee · 03/04/2019 17:53

I understand it's the main motion. But I'm not a million % sure what it means. Grin

Runningintothesunset · 03/04/2019 17:53

First tie in 39 years
The tie is the first in 39 years.

The last tied vote was 30 January 1980 on the Televising of Parliament Bill – 201-201.

There was a tied announced on 22 July 1993 on an amendment to the Social Chapter of the TEU but that was an error and was changed the next day.

From BBC

BercowsSilkTie · 03/04/2019 17:54

312:311 ffs

tobee · 03/04/2019 17:54

Da fuq?

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/04/2019 17:55

Oh ffs. I have to be stuck on a train for a speakers vote. They're as rare as hens teeth. Stamping feet here metaphorically.

Gone with government but scuppers tm somewhat. The other option to go ahead but give tm a fall back. Not an easy choice

Runningintothesunset · 03/04/2019 17:56

They’ve got until 6.15 to get amendments in Shock

horseshit · 03/04/2019 17:57

They might have more time, Bill Cash is speaking again.

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 17:59

Horseshit you are going to love me later.

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NoWordForFluffy · 03/04/2019 18:00

What's the main motion? And another close one!

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 18:02

Pippa Crerar@pippacrerar
NEW: I'm told that the PM's chief Brexit negotiator @ollyrobbins was in the room for Theresa May talks with Jeremy Corbyn today. A sign that the Government is taking this process seriously?

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Sostenueto · 03/04/2019 18:03

Omg! Missing a the action! Heard on radio Berkow voted with noes.( apparently he can't vote for ayes cos they have to win on a majority Confused).

prettybird · 03/04/2019 18:03

Just listening to the analysis/comments about the Corbyn-May talks. There is scope for further discussion Hmm

So they are now mutually kicking the can down the road, wasting yet more time, and not actually taking any meaningful decisions Sad

AutumnCrow · 03/04/2019 18:04

The main motion is the fast Bill

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 18:05

If there was God help us all, a no deal and revoke vote and it went to the Speaker's vote, then the status quo action is remain isn't it?

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