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Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 19:20

After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

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PowerBadgersUnite · 03/04/2019 18:05

The main motion is the fast Bill

The what? Confused

I have no idea what's going on now. I can't take all this excitement.

PowerBadgersUnite · 03/04/2019 18:06

If there was God help us all, a no deal and revoke vote and it went to the Speaker's vote, then the status quo action is remain isn't it?

I don't know that I even want to contemplate the idea of this happening. Can you imagine the uproar?! Shock

InterchangeableEmma · 03/04/2019 18:07

Remain is absolutely the status quo. Could there be an argument to the contrary?

BercowsSilkTie · 03/04/2019 18:07

Yvette looks tired today. I like her. She has passion and wants what's best I think.

BercowsSilkTie · 03/04/2019 18:08

Where have they all gone??

AutumnCrow · 03/04/2019 18:08

The main motion is Yvette Cooper's attempt to put an entire parliamentary Bill through in just a day, in respect of Brexit. It's happening.

It's a cross-party Bill to formally head off No Deal. Not just as a parliamentary wish, but actual British law.

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 18:09

Remain is absolutely the status quo. Could there be an argument to the contrary?

What do you think ? "Will of the people ... Respecting the referedum ..."

PowerBadgersUnite · 03/04/2019 18:09

Well gosh. Can't fault her ambition that's for sure.

NoWordForFluffy · 03/04/2019 18:09

Ah ha. Thank you. I thought it was tomorrow for that; I've lost track of this week!

Horehound · 03/04/2019 18:09

Hi I've not managed to read anything on here today or watch tv. Can someone give me a quick rundown on what's happening?

woman19 · 03/04/2019 18:10

@PippaCrerar
Unison, the country's biggest union, joins GMB, TSSA and TUC in calling for a second referendum. Increases pressure on Corbyn at this key moment.

PowerBadgersUnite · 03/04/2019 18:10

I've lost track of everything fluffy.

Seeingadistance · 03/04/2019 18:10

If there was God help us all, a no deal and revoke vote and it went to the Speaker's vote, then the status quo action is remain isn't it?

Yes, that's what I thought at the time of the Speaker's vote and when he explained the rationale for it.

DadDadDad · 03/04/2019 18:10

If there was God help us all, a no deal and revoke vote and it went to the Speaker's vote, then the status quo action is remain isn't it?

But I'm not sure it's that simple. The legislation has already been passed for us to leave (on 29th March, with a SI moving it to 12th April), so the status quo (ie if there were no further votes) is to leave, so I think in the scenario you are describing the Speaker would have to cast for leave. Shock

LouiseCollins28 · 03/04/2019 18:11

Surely the action would be "revoke". If there is no majority for revoke, the Speaker, on his own reasoning should not be creating one. Anyhow, lets all hope we don't get to that situation Sad

"No deal" is what will happen under the terms of the EU Withdrawal Act in the absence of anything else.

prettybird · 03/04/2019 18:12

Looks like the solution is supposedly a Schrödinger's Custom's Union: it is simultaneously a Custom's Union and not a Custom's Union Confused

lonelyplanetmum · 03/04/2019 18:14

Why was Benn's amendment 310:310 and a few secs later on

Yvette Cooper's Bill
311:312

Were there abstentions? Why the difference?

AutumnCrow · 03/04/2019 18:14

Stephen Doughty just mansplained to his own colleague Yvette Cooper. Shock

Loletta · 03/04/2019 18:15

Am I the only one hoping they agree to CU + alignment with SM + workers rights WITHOUT a second referendum? I am aware that a new PM can attempt to repeal this (assuming the guarantees would be enshrined in statute). But it would require Parliament to vote for it so not super easy.
I just feel another referendum would be really divise and prolong the agony for another 6-9 months. I also feel that there is no guarantee that No Deal wouldn't make it on the ballot paper. I see the chances of ending up with Remain too slim to gamble everything on a PV.

lonelyplanetmum · 03/04/2019 18:15

Why have all the Torys left the Chamber. I think it's disrespectful.

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 18:16

310 to 310 Benn Amendment
Ayes
228 Labour
14 Con
35 SNP
17 Ind
4 Plaid
1 Green
11 LD

No
289 Con
9 Lab
2 Ind
10 DUP

And the Letwin Cooper main amendment
312 to 311
AYES
230 Lab
14 con
35 snp
17 ind
4 plaid
1 green
11 Ld

No
291 Con
8 lab
10 dup
2 ind

It was Labour who made all the difference on the tie... For the Benn amendment.

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NoWordForFluffy · 03/04/2019 18:16

I'm hoping the Cooper bill wins out. Given the distaste for no deal in the house, surely there's an appetite for it?

prettybird · 03/04/2019 18:16

And it also looks like we are going to having Schrödinger's EP Elections: simultaneously agreeing to hold them, but not holding them because we don't need to Confused

vanitythynameisnotwoman · 03/04/2019 18:17

^I got my Brexit speakers vote Grin
[the nerd in me is happy]^

I nearly let my dinner burn because I had to watch!

Yvette Cooper is one of my absolute heroes
"To those who want No Deal: other people's lives will be affected. And that is not fair."

lonelyplanetmum · 03/04/2019 18:19

It was Labour who made all the difference on the tie... For the Benn amendment.

So two of them. Who?

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