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Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 19:20

After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

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Littlespaces · 03/04/2019 14:37

@GuardianHeather

NEW - hearing an emergency shadow cabinet has been called for 6pm, presumably so that JC can report back on his chat with the PM.

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 14:39

NEW - hearing an emergency shadow cabinet has been called for 6pm, presumably so that JC can report back on his chat with the PM.

Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 14:39

Joke Grin

Runningintothesunset · 03/04/2019 14:42

Nicholas Watt
@nicholaswatt
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This is worthy of Yes Prime Minister. Govt source on challenge of reaching agreement between Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn on a customs union: our position is a customs union but we don’t call it that. Labour’s position is not a customs union but they do call it that...

Nicholas Watt
@nicholaswatt
...so the source says the challenge is to persuade Jeremy Corbyn to sign up to Theresa May’s non customs union customs union and not call it a customs union. This would put the UK in a customs union with the EU which would then not be called a customs union@BBCNewsnight

SleightOfMind · 03/04/2019 14:44

He's between a rock and a hard place with that desicion and I do not envy him.

I’m horrified at the intransigence of Brexit Ultras.
Dumping the fire consequences of their desires on Ireland’s shoulders. Makes me so cross to hear them say, ‘We’re not going to impose border checks,’ as though they’re being reasonable instead of incoscionable bastards. Angry

SleightOfMind · 03/04/2019 14:44

dire consequences.

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 14:44

Any chances they can complete the image and have a scene where they are all running one way, then the other in the SOP Armando Ianucci favourite set-piece ?

Speaking of which, Veeps back for it's last season ....

finishers · 03/04/2019 14:44

mistigri I agree I think it is bad form to speak on one thread about other threads but that isolation booth one... I hear you loud and clear... I think I need to offer BrewWine after that one

SleightOfMind · 03/04/2019 14:45

Oops! And unconscionable

See how cross I am Blush

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 14:45

@ telegraphpolitics
British tourists will be banned from taking their beloved UK delicacies such as cornish pasties, pork pies and even cheddar cheese on holiday to the EU after a no deal-Brexit, Brussels warned today

t.co/QdUNMtQTtx

Dairy and meat product ban. You won't be able to take a packed lunch over the Irish border if it has either in.

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RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 14:46

When is a customs union not a customs union?

When it's a cross party euphemism

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horseshit · 03/04/2019 14:48

How do people manage to listen to anything Bill Cash is saying? The guy’s basically chloroform!

DadDadDad · 03/04/2019 14:50

Running - the reference to Yes, Prime Minister is spot on - I can totally hear this in Bernard's voice: the challenge is to persuade Jeremy Corbyn to sign up to Theresa May’s non customs union customs union and not call it a customs union. This would put the UK in a customs union with the EU which would then not be called a customs union

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 14:51

Horseshit... Careful you are giving me inspiration....

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Littlespaces · 03/04/2019 14:51

@NicolaSturgeon
Just had a positive meeting with @jeremycorbyn - I’d be surprised and very disappointed if Labour sold out for such a bad deal.

lonelyplanetmum · 03/04/2019 14:53

I actually did some work -then trying to catch up with the thread I just read

also shadow biz secretary Rebecca Long-Bailey

As 'show biz secretary' ...

Just when I thought these threads had improved my political knowledge.

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 14:55

Just had a positive meeting with @jeremycorbyn - I’d be surprised and very disappointed if Labour sold out for such a bad deal.

That is class Grin. Praise Corbyn as you slide the knife into May

Why can't we have Nicola ?

NoWordForFluffy · 03/04/2019 14:55

I've never felt the need to take a pork pie on holiday with me, it has to be said!

The packed lunch across the Irish border is one which could obviously have an effect more often.

lonelyplanetmum · 03/04/2019 14:55

EU saying we need a back stop in a No Deal scenario before trade talks begin ?

That's new isn't it,

NoWordForFluffy · 03/04/2019 14:57

Its been talked about before. Essentially we'd have to agree the WA before negotiations began. But there'd be no transition period.

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 14:57

Jason Groves @ jasongroves1
Shape of Corbyn/May Brexit deal clear: Customs union; permanent alignment of workers' rights, etc; Tory immigration plans watered down, but free movement ends; no second referendum; out before the Euro elections

Nicola Sturgeon @ nicolasturgeon
Just had a positive meeting with @jeremycorbyn - I’d be surprised and very disappointed if Labour sold out for such a bad deal.

Kevin Schofield@polhomeeditor
And the complete destruction of both parliamentary parties.

I think Kevin overstate it.

But looks like there will be no agreement and I'm sensing there will be two very different stories about what happened at the meeting.

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NoWordForFluffy · 03/04/2019 14:58

It's even. Autocorrect gone mad.

What on earth is going to happen? It's a shit show.

Have we got anything actually happening in Parliament today?

CordeliaEarhart · 03/04/2019 14:58

I'm sensing there will be two very different stories about what happened at the meeting.

Neither of which will be the truth.

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 14:59

Shape of Corbyn/May Brexit deal clear: Customs union; permanent alignment of workers' rights, etc; Tory immigration plans watered down, but free movement ends; no second referendum; out before the Euro elections

seems to be a new meaning of the word "clear" of which I was unaware.

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