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Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 19:20

After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

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Somerville · 03/04/2019 15:00

I thought they'd said it all along, lonely, but maybe I just assumed they'd insist on it.

horseshit · 03/04/2019 15:01

Red I do NOT recommend using Bill Cash as a substitute anaesthetic as his side effects could be dangerous.

NoWordForFluffy · 03/04/2019 15:01

In order for it to work, there needs to be compromise on both sides. I can't see TM or JC knowing what that means.

CordeliaEarhart · 03/04/2019 15:02

Guy Verhofstadt @guyverhofstadt

We cannot risk giving the keys of the EU’s future to a Boris Johnson, or a Michael Gove, the architects of this #Brexit disaster. A long extension would do exactly that.

Seems a long extension wouldn't go down well in Brussels.

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 15:03

seems to be a new meaning of the word "clear" of which I was unaware.

Come on now DGR. The meaning of the word clear was revised in 2016 when May started to say it in each speech.

There is a direct causation link between the number of clears there are in a statement and how much bullshit you are about to be exposed to.

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SusanWalker · 03/04/2019 15:05

God I'm depressed. For some reason losing freedom of movement upsets me the most out of everything, apart from Ireland.

It's not even as if I can move abroad, what with DS and all, but it was nice to know that I could and after all you never know what might be up ahead.

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 15:07

We cannot risk giving the keys of the EU’s future to a Boris Johnson, or a Michael Gove, the architects of this #Brexit disaster. A long extension would do exactly that.

Every time I hear Tories wittering on about "voting for an extension" I think they all need a reality check.

That said, the quoted statement is actually incredibly subtly nuanced if read right. It could be read as a challenge to Boris and Gove that if they want to really carry on their wrecking plans, they'll need to revoke ...

Come and have a go, if you think you're hard enough ...

67chevvyimpala · 03/04/2019 15:07

Yes.
A new dictionary art version of "clear" that oed is unaware of.

OublietteBravo · 03/04/2019 15:09

I’ve come to realise that FoM is my red line. I dislike any form of Brexit which doesn’t include FoM. Is that just because I actually understand that access to CM = FoM required?

Littlespaces · 03/04/2019 15:09

Why do I get the horrible feeling that some shady backroom fudge is being cooked up?

MockerstheFeManist · 03/04/2019 15:10

Treaty Negotiations are one of the few things the EU is very good at.

The Brexiteers are small-town bookies who went to Vegas and got cleaned out by the Big Boys.

1tisILeClerc · 03/04/2019 15:11

{British tourists will be banned from taking their beloved UK delicacies such as cornish pasties, pork pies and even cheddar cheese on holiday to the EU}

There is obviously a touch of 'crazy' about Brits but taking edibles for a holiday (with the implication they will be returning as well as the carrier) is a bit 'out there'.

Mind you, in the land of cheese, finding the equivalent of 'boring supermarket cheddar' to cook with is remarkably difficult.

Somerville · 03/04/2019 15:12

I don't understant the upside for Corbyn of enabling a Tory Brexit. However soft it is (and it doesn't sound that soft, if these reports are true) we know there will be economic damage. Labour will then equally shoulder the blame as the electorate get poorer.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/04/2019 15:12

Id be suprised if there isnt a 'confirmitory referendum' because if there isnt I dont want to be Corbyn at conference this year and I wont be surprised if there's a leadership election after it IMO

howabout · 03/04/2019 15:14

mother been out doing parenting - shopping with 2 exam stressed teens and a 7 year old. Now hiding in a corner. Halo

I am actually quite pragmatic about Indy. Out / Out or In / In works for me. It is In EU / Out UK I have the issue with. Besides looks like rUK needs wee Nippy to sort them all out as usual. Smile

I did actually say at the 2017 election that if Labour won the Brexit was a bit of a non-issue, hence the Revoke position.

Interesting GV recognises all bets are off with a Long Extension - I think I said earlier this is why Revoke is better / likelier. Also neutralises power transfer to EU emanating from WA.

Motheroffourdragons · 03/04/2019 15:14

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AutumnCrow · 03/04/2019 15:15

Is Arron Banks lying low? Or is he active somewhere I haven't looked.

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 03/04/2019 15:15

1TisI we found cheddar in a supermarche last summer! But it was in a very UK expat heavy area of France.

MockerstheFeManist · 03/04/2019 15:16

...in the land of cheese, finding the equivalent of 'boring supermarket cheddar' to cook with is remarkably difficult.

Yer basic Emmental, as found in yer Croque Monsieur.

SassyBadger · 03/04/2019 15:19

Banks' spivvy little pal Wigmore was on Twitter the other day threatening Tory MPs with deselection.

missclimpson · 03/04/2019 15:19

LeClerc I always come home to France with pork pies, Stilton, Double Gloucester, Red Leicester and loads of curry ingredients.

Motheroffourdragons · 03/04/2019 15:20

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67chevvyimpala · 03/04/2019 15:21

I'm allergic to cheese

SassyBadger · 03/04/2019 15:22

My condolences, 67.

DarlingNikita · 03/04/2019 15:28

Emmental just isn't the same.

I'm not generally into parochial patriotism, but I've got to say we in the UK should be very proud of Cheddar. It's both perfect in an everyday sense, and quite exceptionally good.

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