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Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 19:20

After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

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LonelyTiredandLow · 03/04/2019 13:57

Oh and whichever poster said something was wrong with BoJo's tweets yesterday - it was his lack of vocab. He was talking to the ones who read the tabloids - virtue signalling his disapproval for the plebs. Suspect the Malthouse revival is more of the same - knowingly redundant but keen to be seen to be 'putting up a good fight'.

DadDadDad · 03/04/2019 14:01

Lonely - I suppose it's part of the topsy-turvy state we are in at the moment: eg May tries to persuade her own side to vote for her deal by offering to resign if they do, which encourages her opponents not to vote for her deal because they want her to stay! Now she goes ahead with a move that her own cabinet don't really agree with in order to find agreement with her opponent's cabinet. Lewis Carroll would have struggled to write this!

Sostenueto · 03/04/2019 14:12

Gosh its like a war cabinet meeting. Thank goodness Starmers going.

Littlespaces · 03/04/2019 14:12

Yes.

We are back to Alice in Wonderland & the Mad Hatters Tea Party again.

SusanWalker · 03/04/2019 14:13

I can't bear Rebecca Long Bailey. The replacements for Corbyn leave me completely underwhelmed.

The Malthouse compromise should have been cremated, it's ashes put in a pot and dropped into the middle of the Atlantic months ago.

Littlespaces · 03/04/2019 14:14

It seems Corbyn had a meeting with Nicola Sturgeon before they both go to see TM.

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 14:15

We are back to Alice in Wonderland & the Mad Hatters Tea Party again.

Well every days an UnBrexit day Grin

I think, psychologically, not crashing out on the 29th has done something to the zeitgeist. Speaking of which, where's Dana ?

1tisILeClerc · 03/04/2019 14:17

{Speaking of which, where's Dana ?}

Finding out who turned the lights out.

SassyBadger · 03/04/2019 14:19

Hopefully Sturgeon gave him a good pep talk beforehand. And hopefully he listened.

GeistohneGrenzen · 03/04/2019 14:19

Speaking of which, where's Dana ? Out to lunch with TEGAN?

prettybird · 03/04/2019 14:21

Not clocked on yet Wink

usuallydormant · 03/04/2019 14:22

Juncker via Tony Connelly (Juncker is tweeting in French)..

“If the United Kingdom is in a position to approve the Withdrawal Agreement with a sustainable majority by 12 April, the European Union should be prepared to accept a delay until 22 May.

But 12 April is the ultimate deadline for the approval of the Withdrawal Agreement by the HoC. If it has not done so by then, no further short extension will be possible. After 12 April, we risk jeopardising the EP elections, and so threaten the functioning of the EU”

twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1113428636084908034

NoWordForFluffy · 03/04/2019 14:23

Yeah. Hopefully Corbyn and Ms Sturgeon are on the same page.

I loved how she said 'Boris Johnson' in such a disparaging way on her interview on the news. It spoke volumes.

Littlespaces · 03/04/2019 14:24

My MP has written back AT LAST. Predicable waffle about how TM's WA is the best way forward (see below). Blah, blah, blah.

He has apologised for the very long wait for a reply.

my personal view is that the best option for the future of this country is to support the Prime Minister’s Deal, and to leave the EU in a timely and orderly way.

finishers · 03/04/2019 14:25

Doesn't it make you want to be sick when they mentioned a timely and orderly exit... that can't be achieved now... what an oxymoron. Angry

NoWordForFluffy · 03/04/2019 14:27

TM must've used the phrase at least a dozen times during PMQ. The PP's suggestion of a reboot is definitely required.

Littlespaces · 03/04/2019 14:27

The Conservative Party and the words timely and orderly shouldn't be in the same sentence. He doesn't have a big majority.

SleightOfMind · 03/04/2019 14:29

The reason ERG types have resurrected the Malthouse Zombie Unicorn is because the EU and Leo Varadkar made a statement about plans for avoiding a hard Irish border in the event of ND.

This has been seized upon as evidence that alternative methods could work for the backstop, avoiding a UK-wide customs union.

dreichuplands · 03/04/2019 14:29

When I left my last job to relocate to the US for a bit I only had a month rather than the normal 2/3 to do it. It was pretty frantic.
I have no idea how anyone imagines a country can organize to leave an economic and political bloc it has been in for 40 years in a week. It is beyond ridiculous.

SassyBadger · 03/04/2019 14:32

'managed No Deal' is the phrase that sees my red mist descend. That Nigel Dodds' person used it on his resignation letter and the 'nasal gazing' ninny Esther McVey is fond of it too. Same as when they talk about a 'No-deal transition period'. There can be no such thing! Gormless wankers.

horseshit · 03/04/2019 14:33

So, here’s my prediction for how the talks are going to go.
TM: i want this
JC: i want that
TM & JC: it appears that we are at an impasse because the other side is unwilling to compromise

Mistigri · 03/04/2019 14:34

I'm almost done with the U.K. tbh, no deal looks like the best way out of this, and the Good Ship Britain can sail off to Trumpland without me. You're half way there already.

Finding MN a thoroughly depressing place right now - your average mumsnetter makes the daily express look charitable (isolation booths for SEN kids? Love em) and where even the liberals are lining up with people like Caroline Farrow (before anyone starts, I have known her for a very very long time and was on private groups with her when her and my kids were smaller.)

Somerville · 03/04/2019 14:34

The reason ERG types have resurrected the Malthouse Zombie Unicorn is because the EU and Leo Varadkar made a statement about plans for avoiding a hard Irish border in the event of ND.

Every politcian with an inkling of sense knows that the reality is that in no-deal Varadkar will have to either enforce checks at or near crossings into NI, or accept outgoing checks at ROI's ports. He's between a rock and a hard place with that desicion and I do not envy him.

CordeliaEarhart · 03/04/2019 14:36

the 'nasal gazing' ninny Esther McVey is fond of it too

I can't stand her. She used to be my MP, then she got booted out in favour of the current (lab) wet lettuce and just moved somewhere else to try again.

Being a constituency MP should be like playing for your national sports team. You may have an element of choice over which one to go for, but once you've picked you don't get to switch!