How are those Leave street parties going tonight?

[Bearbehind]

So how are the celebrating going?

Didn’t exactly go to plan did it?

Has it started to sink in what a fucking mess this all is?

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This is why many I know feel very angry. These statements were made...but then they put their own self interests put ahead.
Devious lying c*nts.

I heard about it being advisory too. I also heard about the Good Friday Agreement. So please don't tell us it wasn't mentioned. Farage in fact tried to shut down debate about the GFA.

It was buried bellinisurge and well you know it.

Bowchicawowow

why we heard nothing about the referendum being 'advisory only' prior to the vote

As has been explained, in detail, on another thread ALL UK referenda are advisory because parliament is sovereign.

Again, repeating myself, Brexit has demonstrated the need for political education in the U.K..

No I don't @Bowchicawowow .

Surely it would have come up in the extensive research all Leavers did.
Because it was on top of the pile of things they didn't want to think about. Like NI. That was bloody obvious too.

Actually there has been one referendum that was binding (I forget which one). I really can grasp that the referendum was advisory. I don't need that 'explaining' to me again. I have made my point that I think it's politically binding because of the precedents of previous referendums and because that's what voters were told prior to the vote is something you don't agree with. That's fine. It's a complicated issue.
I should add that simply because when the matter was referred to law, the judgement was that the result was advisory doesn't mean that the courts can demand a second referendum. I have looked at Hansard and it seems to be accepted by Parliament that a second referendum would be a political decision not a legal ruling. This is why, what people should really be asking for is a general election. Get your prospective parliamentary representatives to nail their colours to the mast. That gives remainers their second referendum by the back door but people are too busy muck slinging to see that.

Calling Yaxley-Lennon a worthless piece of scum is not name calling.

he's an irrelevance. Ignore him and he'll go away. Clearer heads are needed than given that twat headspace.

How's the view from your sarcastic, patronising high horse OP?

I have no issues with threads that discuss Brexit in a respectful way but posts like this really piss me off. Is there any need for this type of attitude? Absolutely disgusting.

he's an irrelevance. Ignore him and he'll go away.

Except he won't because the media give him a platform.

Do they give him a platform? I haven't seen him on Question Time.

Wrong kind of Brexiteer on the line, Continent Cut Off:

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/st-pancras-delays-trespasser-climbs-structure-sparking-major-disruption-and-cancellations-at-busy-a4104961.html

Do they give him a platform?

If they didn't give him coverage you wouldn't know he existed would you?

There is a world of difference between reporting on him and giving him a platform as well you know Ghost.

Bowchicawowow no referenda are binding in the U.K.

During the Scottish Indy Ref 2 the legislation did contain clauses that made it much harder to ignore and was considered to be legally binding.

However, Parliament is sovereign and if they had wanted to they could just change the law. Parliament can change laws and can not be bound by previous legislation.

It was a better piece of legislation and much less likely to be overturned though.

He was actually on the platform yesterday wasn't he?

And for the government to actually sort out the shit that is entirely their own fault, which caused the Leave vote to win anyway

Well you thought it was a good idea to vote them in Bear

Wrong kind of Brexiteer on the line,

What's the betting that he was at yesterday's demo? At least that is one Brexit moron off the streets for a few days.

Well you thought it was a good idea to vote them in Bear

Indeed, but can admit that was a bad choice. Leavers still can’t state what they want, within what is acheiveable yet won’t admit they made a poor choice.

bow I truly do t understand your position.

I know you think you’re being all reasonable trying to see things from both side but that doesn’t help solve anything.

We’ve had 3 years of trying to achieve the impossible and, surprisingly, it has proved impossible.

We can’t respect the vote’ and not trash the economy so what do you think should take priority?

Respecting a vote where there was huge amounts of missing or incorrect information

Or

Screwing our country for generations

I have no issues with threads that discuss Brexit in a respectful way but posts like this really piss me off. Is there any need for this type of attitude? Absolutely disgusting

OK, my thread title was provactative but it was entirely based on what Leavers said they’d be doing last night.

It’s hardly ‘disgusting’ to highlight that fact.

And the content of the thread is not in the same vein.

We can’t respect the vote’ and not trash the economy

I don't think this is true, or it wasn't in 2016. There could have been a compromise Brexit if MPs in both parties had shown a bit more courage and pragmatism. Norway+ would be neither particularly costly or particularly beneficial but it would meet the criteria (leave the EU).

It's unhelpful for remain to get into this profoundly dishonest narrative about "respecting the referendum" which only asked whether people wanted to remain in the EU or not. It said nothing about how.

But the largest portion at the feet of belligerent remain MPs who have simply not accepted the result of the referendum

Whatever your view, what we are seeing now is Parliamentary democracy, MPs arguing and putting fwd their pov, based on their beliefs and what they consider is what is best for their constituents and the country, will be judged on their decisions at the next GE and that is how it should be.

As for Bercow, he is upholding our Parliamentary democracy against this dictatorial Govt, he barred the 3rd MV but allowed the WA to be put forward in a form that met Parliaments rules.

IMHO if there was any justice in this world, Cameron would go on trial for what he has done to this countries cohesion, its reputation, the economic damage and the division he has caused.... Overseas investors now view the UK as an "unstable" country... FFS.

Bearbehind, I think we need to go back to before the referendum was even a possibility to see why it hasn’t happened.
Cameron gave the people the referendum because his party were in danger of loosing votes.
He was never in favour of leaving and when Tusk asked him why he was doing this as it was taking a great risk but Cameron cockily assured him he was confident of a remain result so went ahead.
He told the people he would honour the result. When it came to invoking Article 50 he bottled it. His options were to stay and face the people and tell them he wasn’t going to honour his promise as he was never really in favour of it in the first place. So the people were sold a referendum based on lies.
Or he could have invoked Article 50 making him a liar to Tusk and suffer the wrath of the EU when it came to negotiations. Why would the EU do him any favours?
It’s like applying for a job when it’s already been decided who’s getting it.
Yet he still is commenting on what he thinks is best for the country.

misti I understand what you are saying - you are quite right, the problem is ‘respecting the vote’ wasn’t defined.

Generally though, Leavers just want the bits they don’t like (whatever they are) to go away and everything else to stay the same - and that can’t happen.