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How are those Leave street parties going tonight?

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Bearbehind · 29/03/2019 20:53

So how are the celebrating going?

Didn’t exactly go to plan did it?

Has it started to sink in what a fucking mess this all is?

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Peregrina · 30/03/2019 11:34

OK, my thread title was provactative but it was entirely based on what Leavers said they’d be doing last night.

What's provocative about the thread title? I did realise it was tongue in cheek. It is what some vociferous Leave voters said they would be doing. They could at least come on here to tell us that their parties have been delayed.

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 11:39

Tongue in cheek is probably a better description peregrina 😁

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CostanzaG · 30/03/2019 12:25

I'm a remainer but I do find your 'provocative' attitude disgusting.
I'm married to a leave voter and know lots of very intelligent, well informed leave voters. I wouldn't dream of speaking to them with such a patronising tone.
Justify it how you like but it's out of order.

Fazackerley · 30/03/2019 12:26

I'm married to a leave voter too. To be fair, he admits he was taken in by the bullshit and regrets his vote. So we can stay married Wink

Dapplegrey · 30/03/2019 12:30

They could at least come on here to tell us that their parties have been delayed.
How can they when they don’t know when, or if, the UK will be leaving. Unless you know something the rest of us don’t.

CatsinSpace · 30/03/2019 12:30

IMHO if there was any justice in this world, Cameron would go on trial

Maybe after Blair goes on trial for war crimes.

Dapplegrey · 30/03/2019 12:30

Bear was your idea that only the ‘educated’ should be allowed to vote also ‘tongue in cheek?

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 12:37

Dear good dapple do you set a diary reminder to bring that up at specified times. As soon as I saw your name I knew exazctly what your post would be saying.

No that was not ‘tongue in cheek’

I will continue to assert that it is everyone’s duty to ‘educate’ themselves on what they are voting on.

It’s about personal responsibility - if you think it’s fine to pitch up and stick a cross anywhere, not having a clue what it means, that’s your call but I don’t agree.

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Peregrina · 30/03/2019 12:38

No I don't know something that the rest don't know. But we might have seen surferjet come on to say that the party is going ahead today anyway, since the weather is nice, and the food and drink has been bought, or it will be delayed until a date TBA.

Or are we not allowed a moment of levity?

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 12:40

constanz why is it ‘patronising’ to ask about a party which several prominent Leavers insisted they’d be having last night, in response to any question about how this was going to work out.

I’d be interested to hear what your well informed leave friends and your DH think of the current situation - where do we go from here?

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DGRossetti · 30/03/2019 12:59

Being wrong is not the same as being thick!

Depends, really ....

Bornfreebutinchains · 30/03/2019 13:03

I just wouldn't be jubilant bear.

I can't understand why you can't understand that this has turned into something More than brexit.

A vote was given to the people of the UK. And it's not being honoured.

Doesn't this worry you? Or is it the EU at literally any cost? Are you really that far into EU ideology???

You realise another vote will come and your vote won't matter??

Mistigri · 30/03/2019 13:10

You realise another vote will come and your vote won't matter??

Most people's votes don't matter in the UK - if you live in a safe constituency and you vote for the other party, your vote is wasted.

Tbh all this crying about democracy is just crocodile tears. Holding another referendum would be no more and no less democratic than the last time.

I'd add that the last one wasn't a shining example of democracy given that the Leave campaign broke the law. If it had not been advisory we'd probably have had to rerun it anyway.

CostanzaG · 30/03/2019 13:53

Well it comes across as very patronising bear

My DH is obviously very disappointed with the current situation. He has wanted us to leave the EU well before the referendum was even mentioned.

Windowsareforcheaters · 30/03/2019 14:14

A vote was given to the people of the UK. And it's not being honoured.

It was ADVISORY.........

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 14:15

I can't understand why you can't understand that this has turned into something More than brexit.

I can’t understand why you can’t understand why this was always about more than Brexit.

It was always about dealing with issues which are nothing to do with the EU. That’s why insisting on following through on something which is actually going to make things worse not better, is madness.

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 14:16

My DH is obviously very disappointed with the current situation. He has wanted us to leave the EU well before the referendum was even mentioned.

Interested to hear what are his thoughts on how Leaving is actually achievable in practice areand why does he think it’s worth it?

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themueslicamel · 30/03/2019 14:19

Awful goady thread, reported

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 14:22

Why is it really goady to ask about something which Leavers insisted they would be doing last night?

I am just making the point that this has not worked out at all how Leavers wanted.

Surely it’s time for a rethink?

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Dapplegrey · 30/03/2019 14:41

As soon as I saw your name I knew exazctly what your post would be saying.
Bear you accusing someone else of repeating themselves is the goat calling the sheep hairy arse.

CostanzaG · 30/03/2019 14:42

bearHe has some very thorough and well thought out arguements....I couldn't do them justice in a post in MN.
He has always thought it was achievable and the best thing for the country. He's not racist, stupid or bigot ..... although these are assumptions made about people who voted leave.

He isn't happy with how it's been executed by the government but it hasn't changed his view.

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 14:46

dapple the difference is, you don’t regularly post on these threads and when you do you always find a way to bring up exactly the thread that’s 3 years old.

You can’t explain why you think it’s perfectly acceptable for someone to vote on a subject that they have no knowledge of other than it’s ‘their right’

Those rights come with responsibilities. And people are responsible for educating themselves about the choices they make.

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 14:47

he has some very thorough and well thought out arguements....I couldn't do them justice in a post in MN

Ain’t it just always the way - I could explain the reasons but.............

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Quartz2208 · 30/03/2019 14:54

CostanzeG genuinely how does he think leaving is achieveable (not why there are as many good reasons for leaving but HOW)

Yes there are some very viable compromise Brexit options but what good are they other than to leave us in a limbo of neither being in or or truly out
No deal is just a huge logistical nightmare
Staying just seems absurd and embarrassing

So what do we do. Because if one of the major reasons for leaving is to take back control and power currently looking at who that would give it to means we really are in trouble

But the real problem is that the leave vote is divided into those who want different things from leaving and the UK is made up of 4 countries 2 of whom want to leave and 2 of whom want to stay.

I reckon the majority of intelligence sensible people would agree that if their was a deal which enable us to leave whilst retain good trade relationships etc we would be happy with that. But I just don’t see how that can be achieved

CostanzaG · 30/03/2019 14:59

bear they aren't my reasons though. As a remainer I couldn't do them justice. That wouldn't be fair.

He's got a PhD in politics and has read pretty much everything written on Brexit - from both perspectives. His judgement and decision making process is sound. He doesn't need to justify his reasoning. Why is it that leave voters are constantly asked to justify their choice but it's something rarely asked of remain voters??

Quite simply it's this assumption that remain voters are right and leave voters have made a mistake. This inability to look at something from an alternative perspective.

Which is why I resent the vitriol and outright judgement aimed at leave voters. You'd be hard pressed to find a more informed leave or remain voter. The assumption leave voters aren't intelligent or well informed is a lazy perspective. Your original post was essentially one big eye roll at the silly leave voters.