How are those Leave street parties going tonight?

[Bearbehind]

So how are the celebrating going?

Didn’t exactly go to plan did it?

Has it started to sink in what a fucking mess this all is?

Point i was making is a PV leave result will be enacted as the questions will be deliverable.

I think this is an unnecessarily optimistic assumption.

Its in the north heathen wastelands from where i am..... its hardly Surrey is it and was hit very hard when the Tories closed the mining industry.

It can't have been hit that hard by the Tories because they voted for Anna Soubrey.

Totally agree ebearhug and bellini

Of course everything can be reduced down to percentage but over a million difference!!!

So leavers should quit the double standards and recognise that 6 million people signing the revoke petition and 1 million actual bodies (as you put it) marching in London last weekend is absolutely massive and yet they've not been represented. How is that fair?

Songs The million is a reference to the difference in the vote. A million more people voted for leave than remain.

So what? doesn't mean they are right. Cameron screwed up with the referendum and compounded it by promising the result would be upheld, a promise he couldn't possibly deliver, so he left the scene of his crime.

Its not Parliaments job to rubber stamp decisions that wreck the UK, risk a return to violence in NI & risk the UK splitting up.

Its not Parliaments job to rubber stamp decisions that wreck the UK, risk a return to violence in NI & risk the UK splitting up.

Agreed. Also the million people include people like the stupid woman on the radio yesterday who was a remainer but voted leave to stop remain winning by a landslide and was horrified when leave won 🤦🏼‍♀️

Bear I lay the blame for this in a few areas.

But the largest portion at the feet of belligerent remain MPs who have simply not accepted the result of the referendum.

No, the ERG and its redlines prevented any sensible compromise.

Song's the people marching have been represented. They have had their way for 40 odd years since the first vote to go in.

So now, having given the EU a good try it's time to leave as per the latest vote.

But the largest portion at the feet of belligerent remain MPs who have simply not accepted the result of the referendum.

But if this was the case they could simply have voted not to revoke article 50 and stop all this.

I blame: David Cameron
Theresa May
Parliament
Leave Voters

In that order for the mess.

*not to invoke

No, the ERG and its redlines prevented any sensible compromise.

And TM in pandering to the likes of them and the DUP instead of the more moderate approach.

I've not seen any remainer MPs over past two years on media saying...

Vote wasn't my choice, result not my choice but it's happened, we need too focus on best deal

I've seen chukka et Al , Anna sourberry constantly patronising and telling us we didn't know what we were voting for.

Drivel and crap From corybn.

Frank field said years ago we need a crisis cross party government to get us best deal.

It's taken erg a long time to see what's been blatantly obvious on the ground.

It's a remain government.

Bercow s smirking triumphant face beaming out from our parliament sums it up.

Happily ensconced on the inside pulling every trick he can to literally pull the rug from under the feet of UK citizen s outside who voted in good faith. .

I don't know why but he reminds me of Rumple stilts kin

Vote wasn't my choice, result not my choice but it's happened, we need too focus on best deal

You've not heard this from a Remainer. Good.

Why do leavers have this conviction that democratic opposition is a bad thing? Good, strong opposition is vital for a democracy.

My issue is that the opposition has been as weak and snivelling as the government.

it's time to leave as per the latest vote.

But to where? Leave in what direction? There is no such thing as 'just leave'. Unless forced to, would you leave your home with no plan of anywhere to go?

So your pleased at this impasse window?

I'm glad someone out there has got the result they want!

There is a world of difference between opposing a political position, which is of course at the heart of our adversarial political framework, and not wanting to recognise a democratic result.

“Vote wasn't my choice, result not my choice but it's happened, we need too focus on best deal”

I think a lot of politicians and people think this. The trouble is- nobody knows what the best deal is. What do you think it is? Because I have absolutely no bloody idea!

No I'm not pleased at all.

We shouldn't have referenda in the U.K. we are not politically sophisticated enough.

A focused well organised opposition would have torn this government to shreds. An opposition who had a plan could have destroyed this government.

But then a government with a focus and a plan could have done better with what they had.

A curse on both their houses.

Bowchicawowow

wanting to recognise a democratic result

Are we going to have a discussion about the democratic validity of advisory referenda on this thread too?

Should brexit happen the most irritating thing will be having to listen to leave voters continue to moan. Overheard a leave voter in work complaining about how much money setting up trade deals was costing. It was always going to be eye wateringly expensive - smooth brexit or not.

What I've learnt from this whole process is that people love to moan, look for knee jerk solutions and continue to moan when it doesn't work. Zero analysis.

I have spoken about this already and there seems like little point repeating things. I do however wonder why we heard nothing about the referendum being 'advisory only' prior to the vote. All I recall is everybody voting on the understanding the result would be binding, as per the precedents set in previous referendums.

We didn't "hear nothing ". Whether people were listening is a different matter.
I bloody heard it.