How are those Leave street parties going tonight?

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So how are the celebrating going?

Didn’t exactly go to plan did it?

Has it started to sink in what a fucking mess this all is?

I voted remain and now I am 'no deal'

This is such bollocks.
No-one who understands the issues could say this.

Stop painting leavers as moanbags. We've been disrespected and disregarded. Of course that is offensive.

My country voted over 60% to remain. No one needs to tell us about being disregarded!

Do leavers who wang on constantly about “the will of the people” actually understand that only a fraction less people overall voted remain than leave?

Such a marginal result was never going to bring a result all parties liked. It should have been made clear at the outset that the only possible way forward due to the split result was a softer Brexit.

Dominic Grieve loses confidence vote. This will be the first of many.

Why do remainders keep saying it was a marginal vote, I wouldn't call a million people, actual bodies, marginal. Of course everything can be reduced down to percentage but over a million difference!!!

*Why do remainders keep saying it was a marginal vote,

Because it was? 52 v 48 in terms of percentage is hardly a landslide, is it? It certainly I don’t think can be proclaimed widely as “the will of the people”. Last time I looked I was also a citizen of the U.K. and I also deserve representation.

I don’t want a referendum and would be happy to leave but with a deal, the right deal, not just crashing out

Exactly, you've reduced it down to a percentage, there were over a million people voting the other way.

But percentages are what makes it significant or less so :/ not just numbers.

Or what about the 600000 more in Scotland who voted remain rather than leave? Don’t we count? If not, you can give me back my tax I pay to the U.K. government, I won’t mind ;)

Such a marginal result was never going to bring a result all parties liked.

Which is part of Cameron''s incompetence. If he'd at least said something like, we will honour the result if it's at least a 66% majority, then he would have stood a greater chance of getting the result he wanted (and arrogantly expected,) and the other 33% would have seen it as a definite result, even if not what they wanted, , rather than one which might have just tipped the other way if there was different weather and fewer traffic problems and so on, on polling day.

But of course, he should also have at the very least looked through potential scenarios and outcomes if the vote didn't go for remain, before he ever went near putting it to the country - and then the referendum question might have been clearer about what sort of leave people were voting for, or at least what they'do be aiming for (given the 27 would still have to agree.)

Whichever way people voted, what we should be most angry about is the incompetence of the politicians who have got us here, and who are now mostly too busy squabbling about their own party issues, when what should be happening for something so major is for them to forget party lines for now and put their heads together and really work out a deal together. But it's not going to happen because they're mostly too focussed on their own egos and status rather than what's best for the country - especially as most of them have sufficient private wealth that they're just not going to be personally affected.

@Tavannach the people on here who say 'I voted Remain but now I'm no deal' are just bots/trolls. They pop up with alarming regularity. The Russian machine is still working hard...

I agree threads like this don't help. It's really time for remainers and leavers to both realise that no one is going to get their perfect option here. In an ideal world I'd prefer revoke but there's not the political will for it. For some reason many leavers want no deal, but they need to understand there isn't the political will for it.
Perhaps Ken Clark's customs union is the way forwards?

I'm tbe kind of Remain voter Leavers should have been encouraging. I was up for WA because it was the only way to Leave that I could see that protected GFA. I accepted the referendum result. I could tolerate that.
And then TM said she would leave it would pass. To be replaced by what kind of Brexiteer nutter like Johnson or whoever? And then it looked like an all UK customs union had some traction. And then , yesterday, there was a fucking flute band and Yaxley-Lennon in Parliament Square.
And of course the constant snowflakes whining of Leavers on here.
You've lost me.

So far the only people who have talked about being thick are one mention from another leaver and yourself Bowchicawowow.

Well the Labour whips did a good job didn't they? Rather than take the most moderate/sensible route of accepting WA, they prefer to keep this 'chaos' going in the hope of forcing a GE, further hoping that they will win it. And I have little doubt that the Tories would be doing the same thing if they were in power.

Now really isn't really the time though at all, and why I think Party Politics is so wrong.

And I am very similar to bellini except I'm a Leaver (moderate) - but now I shall be reconsidering my votes/democratic and civil actions and they will be moving towards the extremes.

Parliament have tried to uphold the result of the referendum. But it has been proven beyond doubt that leaving will make people’s lives worse in the U.K., hitting the poor particularly hard. They should not proceed with a damaging course of action because it was voted for especially when the Leave campaign lied and were illegally funded.

This lie that revoking Article 50 would end democracy is pernicious and dangerous. It is believed by people who simply do not understand what democracy is. It reveals either a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of democracy or it is spread disingenuously in order to harm.

For once, I think the Labour whips got it right. Had I been a Labour MP, I would have voted for the WA until last night's vote. It is clear to me(cleanish) that an all UK customs union option would be more likely to get through the HoC and still protect GFA.
TM threatening to step down as a price for supporting WA killed it for me. What kind of Brexiteer fuckwit would replace her?
I think if support for an all UK customs union passes on Monday, the EU will go for that and an orderly departure can be worked out.
If necessary put that or Revoke to a PV.

But it has been proven beyond doubt that leaving will make people’s lives worse in the U.K., hitting the poor particularly hard.

I don't think that will upset the current Tory Government.

As for Leavers kicking off if their will is not enacted. Last night's Leave demos showed that the average Leaver won't, that it will be the thuggish element spoiling for a fight which are the ones who will kick off.

I do worry if we throw democracy out of the window we are truly screwed

Why do leavers keep repeating this nonsense? within 2 years they'll be a GE and you can all vote for Farages Brexit party and and be out.

Support a PV and you can be out within 6 months....even anna soubry says she'll accept the result if the people vote leave.

Actually after last night I think we should all fear unrest by leavers after a no deal exit. There would be a period of alcohol and drug fuelled celebrations and I think it would result in a wave of assaults on anyone perceived to be foreign or unpatriotic.

I am very, very happy that I will not be in the U.K. on Brexit day.

I am sure that May promising to step down if the WA passed concentrated the minds of some Labour waverers.

jasjas I am not a leaver. I am a remainer. I still care about democracy. You obviously have more faith in Politicians than I do because I think if they are given an inch they will take a yard.

And as for Anna Soubrey accepting the result if it’s leave who gives a shit? Why should the opinion of one Tory backbencher of a southern privileged constituency trump the will of a million voters?

jasjas I am not a leaver. I am a remainer. I still care about democracy. You obviously have more faith in Politicians than I do because I think if they are given an inch they will take a yard

Sorry, misread your posts.

It was a referendum, which was held on a significant constitutional change with a simple majority, with no plan how to implement a leave result.
They ve spent 3 years trying to enact Leave, without success, NI /GFA being the sticking point.

We are having council elections in a month or so, within 2 years a GE, democracy is alive and kicking, all these MPs who are getting such stick are actually doing their job by holding the executive to account and they will of course be answerable to the electorate.

At the next GE, we'll have pro and anti parties to vote for, plus Lab/Con and all sides will have the opportunity to vote again.... the far more worrying issue is the MSM and in particularly the on-line fake news stories and targeted ads.

Bow Is Nottingham/Beeston a Southern privileged constituency?

Point i was making is a PV leave result will be enacted as the questions will be deliverable.

jasjas it is a privileged constituency(and southern) compared to where I am from.