How are those Leave street parties going tonight?

[Bearbehind]

So how are the celebrating going?

Didn’t exactly go to plan did it?

Has it started to sink in what a fucking mess this all is?

CostanzaG because remain is easy everything continues as before. Leave isn’t

As I said the issue isn’t why it’s how. As another thread said there are multiple reasons for leaving some of which actually conflict with each other

It should never have been a leave/ remain it should always have set out options for leaving (and allow everyone to vote) so two tier in effect. So that there was a clear mandate as to most popular way to leave

quartz you'd have to ask him.....tbh I've switched off from it! Politics is not my subject it's his and if I let him, he'd never shut up about it! Just as I wouldn't with my subject ( we're academics) so we tend to not bring work home.

HRFT

Totally agree that best option by far is to revoke and put it all behind us like a bad dream or nightmare.

Yes leavers will be up in arms. May take them a few years to get over it. But that's nothing compared to 50 years by JRM's reckoning to recover from brexit.

Businesses will start to invest in the UK again, the capital outflows will hopefully stop, the pound will recover, we can focus on the things that matter like NHS, education, crime etc etc which if we leave would be ignored for YEARS while we try to fix our country which will be in tatters after leaving.

It’s interesting that he has never said and he is an academic. Because that it shows the theoretical side of leaving rather than the practical

when you do you always find a way to bring up exactly the thread that’s 3 years old.
Why do you care how old the thread is since you still believe there shouldn’t be universal suffrage?

It's possible to make a sane political argument for Brexit, and in fact quite a lot of serious, academically-minded people did so before the ref, based on genuine concerns about how the EU works.

Most of them seem to have changed their minds, because they have understood that however good a political argument there is for something, it has to be capable of real world implementation, and that complex change at the constitutional level requires a sane, competent and preferably non-ideological approach from government. It also requires input from all stakeholders, such as business (because leaving the world's largest free trade bloc obvious has profound impact on trade), and affected citizens such as U.K. in EU/EU in U.K.

What I find hard to believe is that any serious pro-Brexit academic hasn't at least partly changed their mind in the last 3 years - at the very least that suggests a worrying inability to engage with evidence.

Your original post was essentially one big eye roll at the silly leave voters.

It was certainly an eye roll.

For 3 years we’ve had Leavers saying little more than ‘we won, you lost, get over it’ and ‘we’ll be celebrating on 29th March’

Now that’s passed surely there should be some kind of realisation that this isn’t going to anyone’s plan.

Why do you care how old the thread is since you still believe there shouldn’t be universal suffrage?

I don’t care how old the thread is other than it makes you more than a little odd for finding the need to shoehorn it in when it’s not even what we are talking about.

If you would like to provide a compelling argument as to why you think people’s right to vote comes without the responsibility to understand what they are voting on, then I’m all ears.

If not, could you discuss the subject at hand, ie WTF happens now, or find another thread to post on.

How about

The EU does some good things - countries inside it have some advantages

The EU does some bad things - countries outside it have some advantages

A country divided against itself provides rich opportunities for the unscrupulous

If I only say one stupid thing in three years I would be relieved.

It's not helpful to keep bringing it up though. We could all trawl through posts for stupid shit others have said.

I spelt rallies as - rally's and then rallys this morning please no one mention it again.

quartz he has explained his reasons to and he has his own ideas as to how it should be implemented.
What I've said is we don't really discuss it at home and it's not really fair for me to try and articulate his reasoning.
His ideas aren't just theoretical... .that would make him a poor academic. It's important to understand how theoretical concepts would work practically.

However, my overriding point is not why my husband chose to vote leave it was frustration at yet another patronising post aimed at leave voters.
It was unnecessary and deliberately goady.

window, these weren’t one off comments though.

They were the stock responses to people asking how things were going to work out.

Leavers simply didn’t look beyond celebrating us leaving on 29th March.

Now that’s passed surely there should be some kind of realisation that this isn’t going to anyone’s plan

I think you'll find leave voters are just as frustrated that 'things aren't going to plan'.

But the problem is Leavers ‘plans’ either didn’t exist or weren’t possible in practice - so now what?

That's a government issue ....what you expect leave voters to do about it?
I'm voted remain.
I'm not here to argue the ins and outs of the Brexit debate. I'm not a politician.
But I am sick of sneery, patronising attitudes like yours.

I'm not here to argue the ins and outs of the Brexit debate.

Not much point in being on a thread in the Brexit section then 🤔

I'm hoping for no deal, fingers crossed

Said no insulin dependent type I diabetic ever.

Said no insulin dependent type I diabetic ever

Except the one insulin dependant type 1 diabetic who is stubborn enough to try and force it to happen if she doesn’t get her way with the WA.

Your original post was hardly encouraging debate about it either though was it? It was just an opportunity to attempt to stick two fingers up at leave voters.
Patronising and goady as fuck. At least own it for what it was 🤷

I haven’t denied it was an eye roll but it’s not ‘patronising’

We’ve been taunted for 3 years by Leavers who’ve insistist it’ll all be fine by 29th March and we can all party then - it’s more than a little naive to think everyone will be happy to let that go without mentioning it.

Talking of owning things - Leavers owned their choice we’d be in a much better place now.

CostanzaG that’s the point there are ways to implement it just no one way to make all leave voters happy which is why it ca

Yes it is a parliamentary issue (not government) but there is no way to make all the different types of leave voters happy that is the problem.

That should have been thought of before it was asked as I said a two tier question would have given a much clearer mandate

Wow zero you are angry. .. it's like this... there was a referendum. More people voted out than in. Not a certain.kind of out just out. Now the politicians are making a hash of it and we still havent left ...
If anything the leavers should be angry not the incessant remoaners who can't stop whining and are terrified of change..

More goady shite from a remainer, where do you people find the time? The same snide attitudes that we saw before the referendum and look where that got you all? Grow the fuck up, seriously.

It will certainly be very difficult now to make everyone happy but if we don't leave the EU then what was the point of the referendum and democracy in the UK has been totally undermined.

Bear leavers have said so much more to you over the years and you've not listened or comprehended single word.

Thread after thread haunted by bear!