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Westministenders: The DisUnited Kingdom of Remaina

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RedToothBrush · 29/03/2019 19:58

Todays News Round Up (so far):

  1. MV2.5 failed by 58 votes.
  2. Labour Rebels were not tempted by May's promises of consultation with parliament over the next phase. This is because this is not a binding promise and with a possible change of leader this is even more lacking in substance
  3. More ERG than expected switched to supporting the WA. This included leadership hopefuls Johnson and Raab. But there were still 28 hold outs plus 6 Tory Remain Rebels.
  4. Macron said that the EU would be the ones to decide the timetable for no deal if we failed to pass the WA or ask for an extension by 12th April. Thus 12th April is NOT necessarily the cliff edge we fear, though it still is no deal. (Its just a possible time delay). As far as a lengthy extension goes he would want not just EP election participation but also more in the way of a concrete way forward than we currently have though.
  5. The EUCO are meeting on the April 10th. Thus we have until then to work something out. Thats quite the ask.
  6. A series of mini deals in the event of No Deal is something the EU are firmly ruling out. And yet the myth that this will happen is still out there.
  7. No Deal would probably mean the Backstop being in effect anyway in practice, simply because its the only way to stop a hard border.
  8. The penny has dropped with the DUP over this, and they have finally abandoned the idea of a hard brexit and possibly brexit all together if it threatens NI position in the union. They would rather remain. Thus the GFA problem is at least acknowledged.
  9. The DUP did something curious in the indicative votes. They signalled where there was room for them to move, in how they voted - they revealed what they were opposed to and what they might be talked into with their abstaining
  10. There seems to be moves elsewhere to a softer brexit with more signatories to Common Market 2.0 gaining support and more vocal support for the Customs Union.
  11. Donald Tusk signalled that the EU could change the PD to a custom union relatively easily.
  12. May had a meeting earlier with ministers who are urging her to go for No Deal now
  13. May said cryptically after the vote in the commons that the process was almost beyond what the house could provide. What she meant by this isn't obvious.
  14. The problem is that any deal requires the WA to pass... the WA merely is the divorce arrangement and not the economic and political alignment aftewards. All soft Brexits require the WA.

The DUP will never support the backstop.
And Labour although they say they accept the WA will never support a blind Brexit and distrust the Tories fearing they will backtrack on any PD.
The only way to square this circle is to have a legally binding PD which looks a lot like the backstop with NI and the rUK in it.
Which the ERG would never buy into.
And the EU might not allow.

And to get an extension we'd need to pass legislation for EP elections - and its difficult to work out where May would get a majority in the HoC from to facilitate that without the government collasping in the attempt.

Thus as we move forward the stakes get higher, and without any progress on a deal the chances of both No Deal and Revoke get higher. And I don't fancy testing May's resolve to revoke - especially since that might require parliamentary approval too. Is there a majority to revoke if the alternative really is No Deal?

Parliament needs to move FAST to avoid both. Parliament isn't good at moving fast.

I also note that the DUP's political survival might well rest now with remaining. Apparently like the Conservatives, the uncertainity of Brexit has lead to a loss of confidence in the party amongst business leaders, which has led to a drop in donations. This is coupled with May's threat that No Deal would result in Direct Rule. The likes of Arlene are on the Stormont Pay Role, so this would starve them of money there. And this is all without the prospect of polling on an all Ireland referendum. The ERG hanging them out to dry, only serves to make it or the more likely.

Surely an election beckons one way or another, later this year? This is unsustainable for the DUP. And for May who has today, refused to rule one out...

Prediction: We are going to get through a lot of threads and have late nights between the 9th and 12th.

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SeeYouLaterUserData · 29/03/2019 21:17

I still don't know why anyone could considered a CU (only) as a good outcome given it won't cover services or FOM. Is people vote not on the list?

TokyoSushi · 29/03/2019 21:18

PMK, merci!

TheABC · 29/03/2019 21:19

Don't mind me. I am just here for the cats.
PMK.

Missbel · 29/03/2019 21:20

Thank you Red.

A couple of weeks ago I said I suspected that the Govt. are scared of Leavers. tonight's scenes give an idea of how ugly they can be (the Leavers, not the Govt,though they are pretty ugly too!). I don't think the army were being put on standby to deal with Remainers.

Angeladelight · 29/03/2019 21:20

PMK

Peregrina · 29/03/2019 21:20

Well, I like Theresa May's jacket and it's set off well with the red underneath.Grin

TheABC · 29/03/2019 21:22

Awww, bless. In an uncertain world, you can always on the DMs headline to scream as loudly as narcissist boy band.

Some things remain predictable.

borntobequiet · 29/03/2019 21:22

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Dre
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Skinner
Fairly blameless the lot of them.

The80sweregreat · 29/03/2019 21:24

TM did look nice today.
She is a classy dresser when she ditches the blue coat.

DGRossetti · 29/03/2019 21:24

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CurlyWurlyTwirly · 29/03/2019 21:27

Fantastic summary Red
I’ve found these threads so incisive when trying to keep up with the twists and turns. Mumsnet should archive all of them as source material for future History lessons on Brexit.

Also, out of interest, I’m assuming there were zero arrests at the Remain / PV March?

These Leavers will probably be the lowest common denominators out on the street if we crash out with a No Dal Brexit and things get tough with supply chains -> civil unrest.

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2019 21:27

Times

Westministenders: The DisUnited Kingdom of Remaina
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DGRossetti · 29/03/2019 21:27

I love the way (DM) it's Corbyns fault. Nothing about Theresa May.

someone should start a thread about newspapers Grin

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 29/03/2019 21:28

Theresa May was a natty dresser a decade or so ago.
(Still detest her though)

BestIsWest · 29/03/2019 21:29

Pmk and only on page 2.

SisterMichael · 29/03/2019 21:31

PMK.

BercowsSilkTie · 29/03/2019 21:31

I like the thread title RedToothBrush Smile all respect to you and all the work you are putting into these threads to keep us informed and up to date.

Triglesoffy · 29/03/2019 21:32

I saw Farage’s thugs earlier in the week and they were scary. I can understand how Oswald Molesley’s brown shirts puffed themselves around the country in 1936.

Deadsouls · 29/03/2019 21:32

Does anyone in the know think that TM might bring back her vote for a 4th time?

I really don't think I could handle it if she did

The80sweregreat · 29/03/2019 21:32

The press in this country is a disgrace.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 29/03/2019 21:33

pmk

Westministenders: The DisUnited Kingdom of Remaina
Deadsouls · 29/03/2019 21:34

AND.....given the mad logic of her 'resign-for-votes' bribery tactic, because she lost, does that mean TM is staying? *head exploding

insaneduetobrexit · 29/03/2019 21:35

Best ever cat pic GrinGrinGrin

TatianaLarina · 29/03/2019 21:35

Yes apparently she’s bringing it back next week vs the outcome of the indicative vote.

The80sweregreat · 29/03/2019 21:35

Cute cats ( I have allergies to cats but pics are ok)

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