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Westminstenders: Happy Brexit Day!

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RedToothBrush · 28/03/2019 22:01

Happy Brexit day!

Oh wait. No its not.

May looks like she is going to bring the MVIII (Meaningful Vote 3) tomorrow minus the PD (political declaration).

The legalities of this are questionable should the vote pass. The MV needs to have an accompanying PD, by law under the terms of the Withdrawal Act.

That's kind of irrelevant given the likelihood of the deal passing anyway. The DUP have apparently negotiated a 'Stormont Lock' to get more assurances, only for them promptly to say there's no chance of them voting for the deal anyway.

The vote is all about Labour v Conservatives and where we can lay the blame for no deal in two weeks time.

Meanwhile we are already into a prolonged Tory Leader Election with all its glorious gentlemanly behaviour.

Anyway its time for extra time and national riots for delaying Brexit.

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MrsPussinBoots · 29/03/2019 19:41

Popping in to recommend this Tweeted video to Bercow lovers. It's by Rhodri Marsden

Westminstenders: Happy Brexit Day!
TatianaLarina · 29/03/2019 19:46

The DUP are finally getting a lot of stick from constituents, plus they see a general election coming down the line...hence the turnaround.

I think they’ve come under a lot of pressure from businesses and farming. NI economy would buckle under anything but a soft Brexit.

Ironically, a letter that trout-face wrote with Martin McGuinness before the referendum favoured a soft Brexit. So she’s come full circle.

The80sweregreat · 29/03/2019 19:46

In a way there's only a fag paper between Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn. One is just on rinse and repeat ' I want an election'
The other keeps returning the deal to the table for yet more humiliation.
Even if J C loses an election ( which he will) he might still hang around. I could see this happening. They will have to physically remove him to his allotment and lock him in the shed.
They are Both stubborn and not able to see further than their noses.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/03/2019 19:49

"Go back to your own country" (Scotland) ? Confused

Joanna Cherry QC MP@joannaccherry (SNP)

Very relieved to be safely back to my base in London.

Was abused by trailing ends of the #LeaveMeansLeave protest as I walked home.
Called a traitor.
Told to go back to my own country.

Such a contrast from #PeoplesVoteMarch last weekend #BrexitChaos

TatianaLarina · 29/03/2019 19:50

In a way there's only a fag paper between Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn

Corbyn is more aligned with May than most of the Tories. Kissing distance.

My sister thinks they’re both on the spectrum.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/03/2019 19:51

The Leave march:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/mar/29/brexit-debate-latest-developments-live-news-may-at-risk-of-fresh-defeat-as-mps-debate-withdrawal-agreement-for-third-time-live-news?page=with:block-5c9e5cede4b0b4d18bde2b04#block-5c9e5cede4b0b4d18bde2b04

just now, a report has emerged of tensions between Yaxley-Lennon’s supporters and the police beginning to simmer.

According to the Press Association, some have been engaging in a tug of war with officers over metal railings.

Some Robinson backers are wearing yellow vests, while others have masks on, and appeared to be swearing and shouting at the police.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/03/2019 19:54

Oh dear, copying the Corbyn fans: 🤮

chants of “oh Tommy Robinson”

The80sweregreat · 29/03/2019 19:54

I'm a bit unfair really as J C does have principles unlike the terrible Theresa.
In other ways they are same side of the coin.
May has lost it lately though : she is going the way of Mrs Thatcher. Who'd be a politician eh? Not me.

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2019 19:56

Peter Foster
‏Verified account @pmdfoster

So a quick end of week thread at the end of another momentous #Breit day...which puts us another step closer to the cliff.

Perhaps closer than some realise.

1/Thread

May has lost badly enough that talk of MV4 looks pretty optimistic. The door to May 22 extension closes...and the one to a long extension opens, with #EUCO in April 10. That requires two things... /2

  1. That the U.K. agrees to hold European Parliament elections on May 23-26 2) Per Mar #EUCO concs, that the U.K. “indicates a way forward”. /3

  2. requires a statutory instrument to go through Parliament. 2) requires the Government (not Parliament, unless is takes over the executive) to come up with a plan. /4

The first of those looks doable, on the basis that not even this bunch of dimwits we call Parliament is dumb enough to vote against May’s deal, and a “no deal” (160-400) and then refuse to back EU elections...pls someone confirm that. /5

So then we come to the second part. The plan. Can the soft #Brexit factions unite around a plan? Right now, they’re all fighting. CU crowd losing support of PV types; Norway nobs trying to do better next time. In short, no guarantees of a winner still. /6

And if there was a winner, would @theresa_may may accept it? Maybe she would a CU, but surely not a PV or Norway... A Tory PM puts over a Red #Brexit with a dash of blue? Or would she call a General Election? /7

But more importantly, would she do that - or any of this - by Monday week? Coz that’s when Donal Tusk’s office says it wants the details - to prepare draft texts and circulate them. Which means.... /8

There must be a high risk she gets to #euco unable to indicate much of a way forward? Can I have time for a leadership contest? That might lead to a General Election - but almost certainly means a harder line Tory leader (and maybe Brussels’s bete noire Boris).../9

And certainly another 9 months of incoherence and chaos. So question, if you’re Emmanuel Macron? Is that a plan? /10

Because I note audible disconnect between Brussels and London on risk of a “no deal”. Yes, threshold is reasonably low to get extension if we agree to elections. But the bar is not set at zero. /11

There is a complacency in Westminster among MPs that it’s a rubber stamp job...but that might be a careless and dangerous assumption to make. Anyone listening to @StefaanDeRynck at today @UKandEU event in London would not have been reassured. /12

Sabre-rattling perhaps, but remember that Commission won the argument on a hard-ass legalistic approach to U.K. holding EP elections...partly because leaders have had enough...after all the shenanigans and flip-flops of the last three months. /12

Even major voices urging flexibility - including Angela Merkel- need the Brits to provide them with coherent ammunition to counter the Macron faction. Is the offer of another nine months of noise and chaos from London so attractive?/13

Does it help business plan? Does it reward those who, say, bought forward factory holidays to March 29 to have the uncertainly prolonged? Does it help the next EU Commission get on with its reform agenda? /14

And if you’re Mr Macron with an eye on the polls, does a British no-deal shitshow ending May 7, say, help you crush the populist threat at home? Might be short-term thinking, but these are politicians remember? /15

Do I think ‘no deal’ the most likely course? No. But can this government make a big enough hash of this to clinch the argument that the prudent course for the EU is actually to cut the cord. Yes I do. /16

As I said at the top. We are closer to the #Brexit cliff -edge than the Parliamentary majority against a ‘no deal’ would suggest. Key players are will to help us avoid that. But we have to help them, help us. /17

Given what’s gone on the last three months, no-one should bet against the capacity of this government and this prime minister to fumble this. And on that cheery note, wish y’all a bon weekend /18ENDS

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QueenMabby · 29/03/2019 19:56

Deflecting the nastiness of the pro-Brexit march with something I’m sure you’ve all seen before that’s popped up on my Facebook feed...

Westminstenders: Happy Brexit Day!
BigChocFrenzy · 29/03/2019 19:58

Henry Newman@HenryNewman

Think General Election now most likely option

But that's

😬 for Conservatives (failed to deliver Brexit)

😬 for Labour (blocked Brexit; didn't back 2nd ref)

😬 for DUP (either Corbyn or Tory majority)

😬 for TIG (no infrastructure)

Can't really see who that's good for at all tbh

The80sweregreat · 29/03/2019 19:59

Another election? Not a good idea but hey ho.

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2019 19:59

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3546277-Westministenders-The-DisUnited-Kingdom-of-Remaina?watched=1
New Thread.

We've been on one a day for the last few days. Everyone saying they are struggling to keep up aren't alone. So am I!

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TatianaLarina · 29/03/2019 20:00

I'm a bit unfair really as J C does have principles

Just the wrong ones.

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2019 20:02

Is that a principles suit? Or a principle of just being a stubborn ass?

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The80sweregreat · 29/03/2019 20:06

I think Principles shut down years ago!
I don't hate the man , I just wished he wasn't labours leader. That's all.
As for the rest of them , i just despair.

Westfacing · 29/03/2019 20:10

Westfacing, we definitely just saw an orange order group taking part in the leave march on channel 4 news. Shocking, isn't it

Flowerpower shocking indeed

TBH, the sight of it made me feel sick - sectarianism at its worse.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/03/2019 20:13

I think we're alone now was played at the march last saturday. I nearly cried.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 29/03/2019 20:20

Icanreachthepretzels that’s sort of how I feel too. Keep flip flopping about but really would have feel totally hopeless if it had passed today.

So pleased to hear DS is better Red.

Peregrina · 29/03/2019 20:20

That is a huge victory for Remainers and critics of Brexit.

The battle's not won yet. It won't be until the country wakes up fully to the fact that the Empire is well and truly gone, the Special Relationship with the US doesn't exist, and that we are a small island nation off the coast of W Europe and that we need to make the effort to get on properly with our neighbours. And for heaven's sake, if the French and Germans can manage to get on, after the wars they have fought, why on earth can't we?

NoWordForFluffy · 29/03/2019 20:24

TBH, the sight of it made me feel sick - sectarianism at its worse.

Flowerplower and I are 'lucky' enough to live somewhere where they still have an Orange march every year. God knows why they still allow it.

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 29/03/2019 20:25

I live somewhere 'blessed' with orange marches too. Never fails to make my blood fizz a little.

NoWordForFluffy · 29/03/2019 20:27

Same here. I detest it.

Flowerplower · 29/03/2019 20:38

It's scary the few times I've been out and about while it's been going on, NoWordforFluffy! There is definitely an air of drunken menace around those marches although the worst that's actually happened to me when I've run across them was getting beer sloshed all over me ...I think that happened around 10am.

NoWordForFluffy · 29/03/2019 20:41

I avoid town when it's on. I used to have to get the train to the centre when we lived closer to town and would catch the end of it. Carnage everywhere as well as many drunk people!