The fucking patronising response from the govt to the 6million petition

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^This Government will not revoke Article 50. We will honour the result of the 2016 referendum and work with Parliament to deliver a deal that ensures we leave the European Union.

It remains the Government’s firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.

Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in Government.

The Government acknowledges the considerable number of people who have signed this petition. However, close to three quarters of the electorate took part in the 2016 referendum, trusting that the result would be respected. This Government wrote to every household prior to the referendum, promising that the outcome of the referendum would be implemented. 17.4 million people then voted to leave the European Union, providing the biggest democratic mandate for any course of action ever directed at UK Government.

British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum.

This Government stands by this commitment.

Revoking Article 50 would break the promises made by Government to the British people, disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote, and in turn, reduce confidence in our democracy. As the Prime Minister has said, failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”, and it is imperative that people can trust their Government to respect their votes and deliver the best outcome for them.

Department for Exiting the European Union.^

Oh where do I start.

{Former Bank of England Governor, Mervyn King, thinks trading on WTO will be the same as remain?}

He can't possibly think that. If something he has said has been quoted, there must be more that has not been included.
WTO basic rules, which is what the UK would be using for years until new trade agreements are made, will put a burden of around 10% (as an average of the things people will be trading) on the UK. This will be nothing like 'remaining'.

OP do you actually know how small a percentage 6m is of the voting population?

Let’s take a look at the recent activity of “The People” taking time and trouble to tell the Government what they want.

Last weekend, a People’s Vote march took place. The organisers estimate in excess of 1million people took part. Leavers have rushed to rubbish that number because they have wrongly assumed it was a Remain march.
In actual fact, a tiny number of Leavers were there, also demanding a People’s Vote. Safe to say, it looks like most Leavers do not want another referendum.

Two petitions have been got up; one a Revoke, the other a No Deal. The Revoke one has just hit 6 million; the No Deal one got to 600,000.
A new Leave petition stands at 23,000.
You can argue that the numbers are rigged if you like (even though the evidence is that they’re not), but the same rules apply to them all.

Last week, Nigel Farage’s Leave supporters marched and bussed their way from Jarrow to London. They met up with a few thousand pro-Brexit protesters in Parliament square: there were 9 different rallies going on, depending on what type of Leave they wanted.

6 million is a huge percentage of those who still care what happens over Brexit. It looks like by far the largest majority is to Revoke.

'Is this the same petition Mumsnetters we're going to have their children sign 🙄'

Yes, the entire 6m is mumsnetters children. Are you the PMs advisor?

Why is it so wrong to ask your children to sign? Both of mine did, after looking at what was likely to happen. Seems even 26 and 28 yr olds have sense.

My 'legally able to vote' child emailed me to check that I had signed.

My 19 year old was sent the link; my 9 year old doesn’t understand and is therefore too young to sign.

6 million doesn’t even reach half that voted remain. I would not get excited about the petition at all. Can’t see parliament taking much notice.

6 million is a huge percentage of those who still care what happens over Brexit. It looks like by far the largest majority is to Revoke

Thats because anyone with a single brain cell knows that marching with banners or signing a spurious on-line petition is a complete waste of time.

The Government will vote on Government led plans. Nobody is interested in marches or fake on-line petitions. Especially when the petition reaches 6m fake votes as opposed to 17.4 million legitimate votes as per the Government's referendum.

Remainers echo throughout MN that the referendum results shouldn't be listened to, as the referendum was "advisory". Yet they chant that some dubious, on-line petition must be adhered to.

Makes you think what lunatics were allowed to vote in the referendum.

Nobody is equating the petition with the referendum. The petition is a reflection of the mood of a large part of the population. No more, no less. It is significant in the same way marches are significant.

Songsofexperience

Nobody is equating the petition with the referendum

(Cough! Splutter!). I take it you haven't read the MN posts then? Maybe you should before you post such a ridiculous statement!

If 17.4 million is not considered the will of the people how do you argue that on online petition that can be signed by anyone is the will of the people? Need to be consistent in your arguments.

Government will do it's own thing anyway regardless. Numerous extensions is my guess.

It was signed mostly by children. Probably foreign ones. Absolutely nobody of any relevance signed it . 😂

Look all things are relative. We need to compare turnout on Leave petitions and marches too.

The petition for leaving the EU without a deal which had been running for much longer only got 600k signatures - it got 10% of signatures that the Revoke petition did.

• Referendum (2016) Numbers advisory in favour of Leave.

• Petitions (2019) Numbers advisory in favour of remain

• Marches (2019) Numbers advisory in favour of remain

If Leavers are so bothered about the numbers - then they should do something about getting their own Leave or No deal petitions signed.

I don't get it. If you believe something is right then you should be prepared to prove it and test it. Politicians should be confident of their powers of oration and the merits of their stance.

@lonelyplanetmum , there is a Leave No Deal petition apparently. One of my FB friends shared a link.
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Referendum (2016) Numbers advisory in favour of Leave.

Petitions (2019) Numbers advisory in favour of remain

•Marches (2019) Numbers advisory in favour of remain

IfLeavers are so bothered about the numbers - then they should do something about getting their own Leave or No deal petitions signed.

Don't be silly. We don't run the country by a system of petitions.

We need a proper solution to this mess, quickly. Petitioning isn't it.

The petitions and marches are no more legally binding than the referendum.
When compared with like (can’t believe I’m having to spell it out!), the public opinion indicated is that Revoke is by far the most popular among petitioners; a People’s vote is by far the most popular among marchers, i.e. not some bot churning out slogans on SM.

It really shows how worried Leavers are that they are trying so hard to discredit them.

If it’s so very easy to throw petitions - and this has suddenly become an issue, it seems, - why haven’t the Leave petitions been similarly affected? You’re trying to tell me that all these people decided to increase the Revoke petition instead of signing their own? Remarkable stupid of them, don’t you think? Especially if they think that 800 Idi Amins aren’t going to be noticed and removed! This is the Government petition site, not some Facebook opinion poll!

Petitions on the Government site have affected policy in the past.They’re an indication of public opinion.

that Revoke is by far the most popular among petitioners

I think the point being made is that the petitioners do not represent a large % of the population.

Remain have argued in the past that 50 million people did not vote leave (ie 67 Million less 17 Million). So if Revoke was based on 6 Million petition then leavers would argue that 61 Million did not vote for revoke.

Works both ways.

{Yet they chant that some dubious, on-line petition must be adhered to.}

The 'Peoples Vote march was not specifically a remain march, but to call for a new, properly conducted legally binding vote.
If 'Leavers' couldn't understand this, it can only suggest one thing.

We need a proper solution to this mess, quickly. Petitioning isn't it.

Who said petitions were a solution? I didn't. I said they show a mood.

My post was in response to the posters who love to criticise the six million petition but illogically don't mention the acute lack of signatures on the Leave and No deal ones.

Who said petitions were a solution? I didn't. I said they show a mood

Was already answered with

Don't be silly. We don't run the country by a system of petitions

but illogically don't mention the acute lack of signatures on the Leave and No deal ones

As none of these petitions carry any weight I would ignore them all.

@GuyFawkes2019 - does your user name mean support the blowing up of Parliament? I'm a Catholic and even I think Guy Fawkes and his pals were terrorists. Is that your preferred option?

does your user name mean support the blowing up of Parliament

I would not be surprised if someone tried it if Brexit does not happen. Not necessarily by leave voters, but terrorists hiding behind the veil of a fed up group of leavers to make trouble.

Then I hope the security services are paying careful attention to twats being groomed into extremism on this subject.

My post was in response to the posters who love to criticise the six million petition but illogically don't mention the acute lack of signatures on the Leave and No deal ones.

When Farage talked about Russian bots inflating a revoke petition, perhaps he was dropping hints as to what they should do. However I think the original Leave petition would now have closed. Still, it's an idea for him to get his chums onto the next one.

Funnily enough, I didn't hear of his million supporters coming down from Sunderland last Friday.

Then I hope the security services are paying careful attention to twats being groomed into extremism on this subject

Somebody somewhere will be thinking of how to take advantage of the turmoil that UK is in at the moment. I can see trouble no matter what happens with Brexit.