The fucking patronising response from the govt to the 6million petition

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^This Government will not revoke Article 50. We will honour the result of the 2016 referendum and work with Parliament to deliver a deal that ensures we leave the European Union.

It remains the Government’s firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.

Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in Government.

The Government acknowledges the considerable number of people who have signed this petition. However, close to three quarters of the electorate took part in the 2016 referendum, trusting that the result would be respected. This Government wrote to every household prior to the referendum, promising that the outcome of the referendum would be implemented. 17.4 million people then voted to leave the European Union, providing the biggest democratic mandate for any course of action ever directed at UK Government.

British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum.

This Government stands by this commitment.

Revoking Article 50 would break the promises made by Government to the British people, disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote, and in turn, reduce confidence in our democracy. As the Prime Minister has said, failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”, and it is imperative that people can trust their Government to respect their votes and deliver the best outcome for them.

Department for Exiting the European Union.^

Oh where do I start.

To Kizzy

Some think that 17.4 Million is not the will of the people. If so how can 6 Million who sign an online petition, that can be signed by anyone with an email address including those who are under 18 and those that do not live in the UK, be considered as the will of the people?

Suggest you look on the link:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationprojections/articles/being18in2018/2018-09-13

The figures show that the number of people reaching 18 has been declining since 2009 and will hit its lowest in 2020. Whereas the number of people reaching over 65 is rising. UK, like many Countries around the World has an ageing population.

So the argument there is a shift based on more people reaching 18 and older people are dying off does not match the statistics. It also makes the assumption that young people will only vote remain and old people will only vote leave. Is there any evidence of that?

I don't think anyone is saying the petition is the "will of the people" but an awful lot of people in the uk did genuinely sign that petition and though some signatures may be fraudulent (though you ve no evidence for this) its offset by the numbers who signed but didn't click the confirmatory link.

Either way, 17.4m is not a majority, from an electorate of 46m and is no way to implement constitutional change..... esp that all leavers can say now is "we must leave because we said we would" no benefits given.

No way to run a country and is why we are an international laughing stock

Either way, 17.4m is not a majority, from an electorate of 46m

17.4m + 16.1m = 33.5m

Where does the 46m come from?

46 million is the total number of people eligible to vote in the U.K...

So 17 million of 46 million have decided we have to take this basically irreversible move that very few MPs and v few businesses think will make the U.K. better off.

And also that is the most appallingly managed clusterfuck that has been seen in parliament for hundreds of years.

Great. Smashing. Fab. Let’s ‘just get on with it’. Will of the people and all that.

The problem with so many 'leavers' is the inability to answer the question correctly.
2+3 does not equal oranges.

46 million is the total number of people eligible to vote in the U.K

So why did only 33.5 million vote? What prevented the other 12.5 million from voting? Many possible explanations I guess, but I would say the most probable was that they don't care. Hence including them in any argument is another example of desperation. If you apply that logic and remember that ever fewer voted to remain then your argument goes against you.

Has there ever been an election where the turnout was 100%? Not to my knowledge, but the party who received a majority of those that did vote became the party in power. Sometimes coalitions are formed.

Pizza major constitutional change shouldn't happen on a simple majority... if we were to have a vote on rejoining the EU in the future, it would need to be done on a 2/3rds or similar majority.

Its shocking that you had no idea were the 46m came from, i'm afraid you lack credibility or like so many voters, haven't a clue.

Has there ever been an election where the turnout was 100%? Not to my knowledge, but the party who received a majority of those that did vote became the party in power

Oh dear.
I'm not sure you understand our parliamentary election system. It's the party which gains the most MPs that becomes the party in power. They don't need to gain an over all majority of all the votes cast to do this. In fact, they very often don't have a majority of the votes.

There's a very worrying amount of ignorance around.

Every Brexit thread, someone comes up with the 'only 17 million out of 46 million'... AAARGH! For the ten billionth time, only those who actually voted count here. If 12.6 million could not to arsed to vote then they have foregone their right to have a say in that matter. Amazingly I keep seeing people on these threads saying they did not vote - well get off the thread then you had your chance and didn't do anything about it!

Such a petition is newsworthy but perhaps they saw all the stuff on social media - including MN - telling people to sign with multiple email addresses, sign for their kids, pets etc etc... makes a nonsense of it.

Its shocking that you had no idea were the 46m came from, i'm afraid you lack credibility or like so many voters, haven't a clue

I know where the 46m came from, but so far nobody has explained why those who do not vote can be included in the calculations?

@TildaKauskumholm if it’s so easy to get a petition to 6million, why haven’t the leavers done it over and over?

If 12.6 million could not to arsed to vote then they have foregone their right to have a say in that matter

I agree, but those who voted remain are desperate enough to try anything to undermine the result.

@TildaKauskumholm if it’s so easy to get a petition to 6million, why haven’t the leavers done it over and over?

Because they already voted in 2016. Online petitions are easy to fiddle. Some leavers I know signed up just to take the piss.

The problem with so many 'leavers' is the inability to answer the question correctly

Only question on the ballot paper was Leave or Remain.

How’s leaving going so far? It’s not the 29th March yet is it? I mean, we’re obviously leaving tonight at 11pm as promised by TM over 100 times since she became PM.

I don’t think it’s the remainers that need to worry.

I don't think you can assume the people who didn't vote "couldn't be arsed". I'm sure many probably abstained because they didn't know how to vote on such an important matter that was clouded by confusing and misleading information. Surely a 52/48 split just shows that there is more or less a 50/50 split, the country are divided and to have a hard brexit (as many are still arguing for as their "democratic" right) is indeed not particularly democratic, as you're disregarding 48% of the voters. That's quite significant! Plus there are those that didn't vote out of confusion. TM is a cretin but the EU aren't going to just roll over and let us dictate all the terms, regardless of who is doing the negotiations. We can't just tell the rest of the EU to bow down to what WE want. That was never going to happen and it's arrogant of brexiteers to have assumed that it would be that simple. The whole thing is a mess and we'll be paying for it for generations. The brexit vote was just a guidance vote, not statutory, and we should now give the public another chance to have a say now that they have more information about what kind of brexit is realistically possible

Pizzabrain
{The problem with so many 'leavers' is the inability to answer the question correctly

Only question on the ballot paper was Leave or Remain.}

Those who voted to leave did not define EXACTLY what they wanted to leave, it was a badly run referendum.
The campaigning SHOULD have pointed out that if the UK leaves the SM and CU then UK industry will be fucked. You could interpret this likelihood from the remain campaign as they said that the UK enjoys the advantages of free trade as a member of the EU.
Equating the LOSS of free trade is and buggering of Just in time manufacturing is obviously beyond the brainpower of 'leavers'.

If I take your glass of water away from you, you will get thirsty. Is this simple enough for you?

Also lets not forget the idiots (who are probably in the minority of brexit voters, but still) who the morning the results came in were on the news spouting nonsense like "good it's time to make Britain great again" but couldn't answer what that actually meant, and those that said things like "i voted leave because we need to do something about all the Syrian refugees" there are people who just thought they were voting on immigration. Do we really really really need to bang on about how important it is that that kind of "democracy" should be upheld no matter what?

I don’t think it’s the remainers that need to worry

The way MPs are messing around UK might be out with no deal by default

The campaigning SHOULD have pointed out that if the UK leaves the SM and CU then UK industry will be fucked

The remain campaign leaflet sent to all households in UK explained that. They even had Obama on scaremongering.

If I take your glass of water away from you, you will get thirsty. Is this simple enough for you?

UK doesn’t receive water from the EU. Rain is where UK gets its water. Remember the heatwave of 1976 (after UK had joined EU). The drought was due to lack of rain as opposed being in or out the EU

PizzaCafe2016
{If I take your glass of water away from you, you will get thirsty. Is this simple enough for you?

UK doesn’t receive water from the EU. Rain is where UK gets its water. Remember the heatwave of 1976 (after UK had joined EU). The drought was due to lack of rain as opposed being in or out the EU}

This reply suggests you are either a clever automated answering service with a faulty program, or a very weird human.

Hey, PizzaBot, what does your program say about having sharp objects taken away from you?

This reply suggests you are either a clever automated answering service with a faulty program, or a very weird human

Your reply tells me that you are wobbling to present a logical counter argument.

Strange, I wasn't arguing about anything. I have been hoping some of the 17 million brilliant leave' voters might come up with something tangible that will make the UK great, but I have given up so now I am just waiting for something as simple as a decision.