The fucking patronising response from the govt to the 6million petition

[Meretricious]

^This Government will not revoke Article 50. We will honour the result of the 2016 referendum and work with Parliament to deliver a deal that ensures we leave the European Union.

It remains the Government’s firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.

Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in Government.

The Government acknowledges the considerable number of people who have signed this petition. However, close to three quarters of the electorate took part in the 2016 referendum, trusting that the result would be respected. This Government wrote to every household prior to the referendum, promising that the outcome of the referendum would be implemented. 17.4 million people then voted to leave the European Union, providing the biggest democratic mandate for any course of action ever directed at UK Government.

British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum.

This Government stands by this commitment.

Revoking Article 50 would break the promises made by Government to the British people, disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote, and in turn, reduce confidence in our democracy. As the Prime Minister has said, failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”, and it is imperative that people can trust their Government to respect their votes and deliver the best outcome for them.

Department for Exiting the European Union.^

Oh where do I start.

@OrchidInTheSun if you wanted to vote, live in the UK

@Meretricious oh change the bloody record, I voted Leave and was fully informed in making my vote, and I would still vote the same. Get over it

and was fully informed in making my vote

Ha ha ha! Fully informed!!??

If Leave posters on here think they were fully informed then they must be psychic.

The rest of the country was very inadequately informed.
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Leading Leave MPs information included:

'Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market,' Daniel Hannan,

We could have two referendums. As it happens, it might make more sense to have the second referendum after the renegotiation is completed.Rees-Mogg

“In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way." Farage

A trade deal with the European Union would be "one of the easiest in human history -disgraced former Defence minister Liam Fox

Etc etc

If we revoke article 50 all it does is stop the clock so that we can have a second referendum on whether the deal, remain or any other options are better, knowing what we now know about the Northern Ireland border. We can then toddle off and sort the technological solution without a time limit.

If Brexit is the will of the people, surely a 2nd referendum would confirm it so why is it such a problem to rerun the (so illegal it is only around because it is not legally binding) vote? Because it would still be the will of the people then...

Revoking article 50 at this point doesn't mean we never leave, only that the deadine is removed - we can always implement it again when we're a bit more ready and the government/parliament aren't thrashing around for something, anything to do...

MP's will never revoke as they know they will not be elected at the next general election.

TeddyIsaHe

@FinnegansWhiskers you do know that leaving is just the start of it right? There will be years upon years of negotiations and meetings and deals etc to get through. It’s not all going to stop whenever the govt decide whatever the fuck they’re doing 😂 This is just the beginning

Umm... What's your point?? How do you know how Brexit will pan out? Have you consulted your crystal ball?

I don’t need a crystal ball. What they’re currently deciding is HOW we leave. Not what happens WHEN we leave. There’s a transition period until December 2020 when everything will stay the same (we still pay the EU, EU laws are still in force). This obviously won’t happen if we leave with no deal.

We then need to sort out the trade deals, with the EU and the rest of the world. Borders (hard or soft) etc. And depending on how we leave, tariffs, imports, exports, laws, courts, free movement etc etc etc.

Like I said, when govt have decided how we leave it is just the beginning to endless talks about how we then make Brexit work for us. So don’t get excited about it being over any time soon!

Surely anyone who voted leave must realise that how we leave is important. If you know what you thought leave would look like....the chances are the next leaver you meet will have thought it meant something completely different. It was an advisory referendum. Don’t yo7 want a say in what the end game looks like?

and was fully informed in making my vote

So on the subject of being informed, was the leave plan to be in or out of the SM/CU ?
Do you understand the significance of this, in that being out will destroy UK manufacturing and finance industry, and cause there to be a border on the Island of Ireland?
Presumably you have a solution that will find new, BETTER* jobs for the approx 2 million involved in the manufacture of cars.

• the 'leave' campaign was claiming things would be better than remaining in the EU. Currently the government is seeking the assistance of the army to distribute medicines and food and have prepared the cabinet for marshal law.

MP's will never revoke as they know they will not be elected at the next general election.

If the country goes to shit, they won't be either.

Respect works both ways, and I'm yet to read or hear of a Remainer showing respect for the fact that the Leave vote won the majority in a public referendum

Actually I am a remainer and although the vote made me despair over the waste of peoples lives who fought to give us the vote ! I 100% stand by the vote to leave , however flawed it was/is

There’s nothing democratic about honouring a vote that has been deemed undemocratic by the Electoral Commission.

Whether you think leaving the EU was the right or wrong decision, it's not down to you. It was down to the majority and they asked to leave. There's no point saying 'oh but 17.4million isn't most of the population'. That's a ridiculous point. A lot of the population are too young to vote, and a lot of voters couldn't be bothered to vote so of course they don't get their say.

The point of the government is that they represent the people. They may not represent 'you', but they represent the majority. Remaining in the EU is simply not an option as it would completely destroy the idea that we have democracy in this society.

It is also rubbish to say that 6 million have signed the petition so they must be heard. Firstly, you've been heard enough to get a response from the government on it. Secondly, 6 million doesn't come close to 17.4 million. Thirdly, many people will have signed the petition multiple times using various email addresses. I have also seen people on here encouraging others to get their kids to sign up to it. 6 million certainly isn't an accurate figure for these reasons.

I say all this as someone who voted remain in 2016.

Names aren't released therefore, how could anyone know that the petition has been signed 7000 times by Rees Mogg? Unless it's been confused with the number of signatories from his constituency which is now over 10,000.

I can't see how anyone who voted Leave voted for No Deal either, given that it wasn't a factor at the time and didn't emerge as a concern until well after A50 was triggered and events showed we weren't getting anywhere. A fully informed No Deal vote at the time would actually have involved SM and CU links with the EU.

@OrchidInTheSun "80 million British nationals live outside the UK but bizarrely, their views didn't count. It was a vote by a tiny minority of British citizens."

I'm not convinced that figure is accurate.....

If it wasn't for the fact my family and friends are in the UK I would now say that the UK should leave with the hardest of conditions. The EU should withdraw it's massively generous offer of allowing flights ships and food to continue without a deal.
This is legally what SHOULD happen tomorrow night. 3 years and no decision.
Leave/Brexiteers have NO FUCKING CLUE what leaving actually means in reality. Pathetic doesn't even enter into it.
The terms of A50 are such that from midnight tomorrow (now put back to 12 April) the UK DOES NOT EXIST in terms of trade or laws.

{@OrchidInTheSun "80 million British nationals live outside the UK}

I forget actual figures but it is about 1.5 Million in Europe and a couple more Million in the rest of the world.

I wish people would stop @ing me. It's really annoying. You're right though - it does seem high and I misread the chart - it's people with British ancestry.

Incidentally, I am no longer an expat. And most expats aren't like Connery - they're not living abroad as a tax dodge, they're working.

Anyway I shall leave you all to it.

No-one is covering themselves in glory here, and I’ll go so far as to say that the remainers are by far worse and I voted remain.

Reality is that there were lies on both sides of the referendum. But the die-hard remainers have become hysterical and to be honest are starting to look unhinged with some of the insults and arguments they are trotting out. Talking about how people are going to die, how all leave voters are thick, uneducated etc, it doesn’t make remain look like a credible solution it makes the hardened remainers look like hysterical morons with an axe to grind.

Yes, 17 million was a small majority, but 16 million who voted remain was smaller. And if remain had won by the same margin the leave voters would be being told to suck it up.

I actually think that some of these pro remain types are destroying the argument for themselves, and I think that were there to be another referendum then leave would win by a bigger majority because the sensible remainers among us recognise that the majority voted leave and we now need to get on with it because it’s the bickering and in-fighting that’s destroying the country at the moment. At least once we leave we can get on with it. And there is no actual knowing how things will pan out in the future. I voted remain, but the EU is far from perfect, and not everyone who voted leave did so based on a sign on the side of a bus.

Sorry Orchid, It sneaked in as I cut and pasted that quote and I should have taken it out.

NoCauseRebel
Sensible post. Wait for the posts accusing you of being a leaver in disguise

{Yes, 17 million was a small majority, but 16 million who voted remain was smaller. And if remain had won by the same margin the leave voters would be being told to suck it up. }

No, 17 Million voted leave, around 500 Million, the whole of Europe is already paying shitloads of money just in preparation to allow the Leaver voters a hint of 'unicorn' which they will never get as they voted for the wrong question and it is the Sovereign UK governments who will not resolve the real issues.
The Dutch citizens have 'lost' around £600 per person due to the 'leavers' whims. Similar or greater for the Northern European countries.

So May will resign.....when her deal goes through. Remind anyone of Cameron? He scarpered too!

Reality is that there were lies on both sides of the referendum

No. There is no equivalence here. I'm sorry if it upsets people's feelings but we need to face facts.

It was the whole tone of ‘the country has decided therefore we shall do it’ that got on my tits

So you think the Government should ignore the results of a referendum, but not a petition?