Leavers, I'm a leaver... are you out there

[BurpsandHustles]

I know this thread will get trolled and spammed with the usual suspects demanding answers from us.

But I'm hoping any leavers out there could ignore them and tell me how their feeling.

Right now I'm wondering who the hell is speaking out for us? It's gone very quiet....

There is some momentum from pro Europe voices... but aside from a damp squib march from farage..does anyone else think it's gone eerily quiet!!

Don't read telegraph and don't listen too Lbc will try and tune in..

Personally though I'd love to hear a bit of optimism and positivity about Brexit.

Have you watched the news in the last 2 years?

• We've missed the 2 year timescale.
• We've completely failed to negotiate any major trade treaties to compensate for the ones we lose.
• We may break our 20 year truce with the IRA.
• We've humiliated ourselves to every other nation- the US look on us and think 'well at least our democracy isn't that bad'.
• Even after all that there is still no workable plan for how to implement a withdrawal agreement. A permanent treaty will be much more complex.

Chris Grayling could have done a better job of organising Brexit.

I'm finding your attitude baffling to say the least. You want to take back control but actually you want someone else to take back the control for you, but not the people we've elected and you don't want to do anything yourself. You're envious of remainers and want and if their fighting spirit but you can't be arsed to march or do anything about it. Are you real?

Being a member of the EU the UK enjoyed the best deals with 70 countries, importantly, these deals are for the stuff the UK either wants or can make. By definition the UK will get a worse deal from all of these70 countries.
Turning to the 'world' market, yes in theory the UK could do better deals but any advantage that might give will be reduced because they are all a lot further away and they don't necessarily have 'stuff' that the UK wants, and vice versa. Llama skins from Peru may be really cheap, but I don't suppose people really want them.
Dropping tariffs sounds good, as promoted by the ERG, but with WTO rules in play, it will destroy UK businesses as they would have to sell at the new low trade prices.
You could tinker with various laws, but since most would end up being close equivalent to EU law, there is not much point in changing.
The UK, like all the other countries in the EU is already sovereign although some is 'pooled' with the EU. Unless the UK went for total isolationist, it would be pooling with a different bloc, USA perhaps where rather than being at the 'top table' within the EU the UK would be lesser than the 53rd? state and would be dictated to by the USA.
The world has globalised in the 40 odd years since the UK joined with Europe and everyone else is connected in large trade blocs.
If you can see an opportunity that is out there, you could aim for it, but the reality is that the tiny fish that is the UK can't make it alone. It can't even feed it's own population and does not have sufficient natural resources to make a difference.
Being 'nice' to the HoC, the reason leaving has not happened and is getting a bit less likely is that when faced with real facts, they are gradually understanding that the leave promises can't be kept. They SHOULD have done their homework over a year ago to come to this realisation, but have been too content not to think about it too deeply.
If the UK had humungus quantities of gold or some of the very valuable 'rare earth' elements it could 'buy' it's way forward, but it hasn't. Waving flags and declaring independence won't put food on the table. The ERG and others are happy to leave because their wealth is created by manipulating money markets in various ways. They can wedge yet more money into their pockets, but it will not sustain the 98% of the UK population.

But May’s deal was never meant to be about the future trading relationship? That’s a job for the next fifty years. What more did people expect from her deal?

Did people really vote for a rudderless ship? I seem to remember talk of easy deals from better trading relationships from day one - are you saying I was lied to?

Bizzare post mookatron.

Any leavers out there feel like I do. What's the next step?

Start lobbying again? What!!

I thought the same for a while until I realised that the WA does not protect us from a very hard brexit at the end of the transition period.

Yes, it was another way of can kicking and left everything on the table. But it was better than crashing out with no deal which was the only other likely option back in January. Less likely to accept it now. Depends what the other options areZ

Totally concur that a majority remain parliament is why we are where we are.
So given that leavers are in a majority amongst the electorate, why did you vote for remainers at the 2017 general election?

I know any thread like this will attract vitriolic phirrana remain voters with the usual questions... seizing on leavers... but hopefully anyone left out there...

What do you think we should do...sit tight? What!

now what option of Leave do people who voted Remain want?

None, the nation has changed its mind or rather new voters have swung it to remain now..... its not right to lumber the younger generation with a policy that in all scenarios leaves the UK worse off, whilst expecting them to pay extra taxes to make good the loss, rejoining isn;t an option.

We need to address UK issues and move on.

I know any thread like this will attract vitriolic phirrana remain voters with the usual questions...
Not one of which has yet been answered
even the easy ones

How did you vote in the first referendum BurpsandHustles love?

Talkin you seem to be on every breixit thread saying the same stuff. .

I think a few years ago leavers tried to answer questions in good faith and it never got anywhere. .

. but where's the counter balance?

LedByDonkeys was only three friends getting together in the pub, and then crowdfunding the putting up of posters telling us what prominent Leavers had said, (which they would probably like you to forget.)

So there is your answer, get together with a couple of friends and crowdfund an alternative.

@1tisILeClerc how many times have you cut and pasted that little beauty?

What kind of deal do i want as a remainer? Well first choice would be to not leave at all, but as we do democratically have to go ahead, then from the full spectrum of leave possibilities, I'd like as soft a Brexit as possible, so single market, customs union etc. Brexit will then have been delivered.

@TalkinPaece Leavers do try and answer but you remainers just shout us down. Just because you shout the loudest doesn't mean you're right. You're just loud and annoying.

Disnt you vote remain burps?

Well...if Brexit doesn't Go through yes!! I will have a go at that!!

There's so many things on EU side people don't want to hear as well. ..

It's not going to be hard. . at the moment we are in limbo. ..if Brexit doesn't Go through....yes! I imagine many different protests will happen

Didnt

Stupid fingers

but where's the counter balance?

The March on Saturday was put together by volunteers & crowd funding. It was promoted by volunteers going out day after day to encourage people to go on it.

You could always try to organise your own.....

{I thought the same for a while until I realised that the WA does not protect us from a very hard brexit at the end of the transition period.}
The WA is NOT a deal as such, it is a schedule outlining all the laws and regulations that will have to be renegotiated with the EU before the UK leaves. During the transition period (estimated as at least 2 years) something like 700 very complicated legal agreements have to be unpicked and renegotiated, and at the same time attempt to negotiate 'replacement' deals to cover what the UK has now.
During this, relatively little changes apart from the UK not having a voice in the European Parliament and it pays about £9 Billion a year to retain access to the 70 countries the EU has FTAs with. At the end of the transition, yes the new deals become 'live' and the UK will be out.
A 'crash out' condenses all the stuff that has to be negotiated into a matter of months and many things will cease to function. It would be chaotic as every aspect of UK life is threaded completely into the EU and some or all of those links will cease. The expression 'taking the egg out of a sponge cake' is quite apt.

' I try to buy local / British whenever possible which is a majority of the time.'

That will be much harder when farmers go bust due to not receiving EU subsidies anymore.

I voted leave and want to leave.

'Leavers do try and answer but you remainers just shout us down. Just because you shout the loudest doesn't mean you're right. You're just loud and annoying.'

Those annoying remainers with their sensible reasoned arguments eh? Just shout 'we won, get over it' at them.