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Westminstenders: Indicative Crossiants

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RedToothBrush · 26/03/2019 18:23

Tomorrow the Indicative debate starts at 3pm

The Speaker will choose options to go to vote.

Vote at 7pm for yes or no for each option.

7.30pm The SI debate on extension followed by vote.

Announcement of the indicative vote sometime between 8.15pm and 9.30pm

Meanwhile the DUP have indicated they would prefer a long delay (and presumably EU elections by default) rather than May's deal, in a strange twist of Brexit.

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Motheroffourdragons · 27/03/2019 14:13

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TatianaLarina · 27/03/2019 14:14

No Deal would kill of the Tories as a political force, possibly even for good. The argument that it is good for the Tory party is absurd.

They would split on No Deal, they would split on Revoke, don’t know about PV. There’s not much holding them together these days.

The80sweregreat · 27/03/2019 14:16

Theresa's blue coat is a Herno Italian classic snd she has a black one as well.
I've never heard of this label so I had a nose online : the black one is £825 and most of the jackets and coats were horrible and very expensive.
It looks like a ' security ' blanket to me!
The article in the mail said that her clothes are a reverse of the Meghan Markel effect as they don't tend to sell out. She does have some nice jackets and clothes but this coat is wheeled out all the time!
Anyway, we may not be seeing this coat for much longer if she resigns within the next few weeks. Or the weather gets much hotter.

tobee · 27/03/2019 14:17

Valerie Vaz fan girling Ken Clarke there! Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 27/03/2019 14:19

"No Deal would kill off the Tories"

May & the ERG either don't agree with you
or don't care if it means they get Brexit
or they are bluffing hopelessly - the EU won't cave in

LonelyTiredandLow · 27/03/2019 14:19

I think Cummings is confused between the govt being able to back track on Workers Rights/Human Rights etc and actual commitments to the EU. If he thinks we can sign agreements and then go back on them then...oh wait! GFA. Of course he thinks like that.

Leave friend today admitted her husband and her wouldn't ever consider going abroad for a holiday. She began saying 5 flight tickets was too expensive (understandable, although I pointed out there is a ferry as well). She then turned it into the 'terrible food' and then the 'lack of health and safety' (cited an imaginary example of no railings on stairs in Greece Grin) and how she wouldn't dream of having the kids in another room because 'you just don't know what they'll do out there, those other types' Hmm. I did ask her how she copes when she goes on holiday here if she is so scared all of the time. She immediately said 'oh it's different here you know who people are and how things are'.
I did try to explain some people like different cultures, languages, food and history. She literally pfft'd down the phone at me. She is a teacher Sad. On the other hand she is now convinced WA will be voted through as ERG back it - which she says is better than no Brexit at all (she learns slogans so fast!). When she talked about no Brexit again she seemed vaguely deflated ("well it would be a terrible shame, a terrible shame, but what can you do?") but I was quite surprised at how little emotion it aroused. Certainly not as much as the Nazi rants Hmm.

I don't think I can watch tonight. My wine intake/chocolate intake/stress levels and smoking have definitely increased as a direct effect of watching the every changing circus of our government chopping and changing what they are doing from week to week. Brexit is bad for my health.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 27/03/2019 14:20

I'm imagining lurid scenes during the 'takeover' swords? bandits?

BigChocFrenzy · 27/03/2019 14:21

May's clothes, jewellery etc are totally irrelevant to her performance as PM
Her health is relevant, if it breaks

tobee · 27/03/2019 14:22

Surely they'll at least be a BONG! OhYouBad?

LonelyTiredandLow · 27/03/2019 14:24

OMG I just typed that while watching Britain Bites Back - the bit about the food....almost verbatim what my friend said to me on the phone! Grin

The80sweregreat · 27/03/2019 14:27

Her jewellery is just a distraction I think. A bit like Mrs T's handbags.

Anyway, there was a good interview with Braintree's MP on five live this morning being grilled as to why they could vote vote vote and why we can't have another vote!
Hearing them talk you realise how slippery they all are.

wheresmymojo · 27/03/2019 14:27

Can someone explain to me what the impact is of Andrea Leadsom's speech about the Govt not backing today's motion.

What is the actual impact of that?

BigChocFrenzy · 27/03/2019 14:29

Bloody Farage being embarassing again in EP debate on Brexit

Daniel Ferrie@DanielFerrie

@MichelBarnier in @EuroparlEN:

@NigelFarage, no one in Brussels is trying to steal #Brexit from you...
but it is not Brussels that decided that the UK would leave the EU.

You made that choice, you must take responsibility & face up to the consequences.
Nobody else."

mobile.twitter.com/Europarl_EN/status/1110817410624294913

1tisILeClerc · 27/03/2019 14:29

The main source of 'bad food' in France is my kitchen and entirely my responsibility although there are various things in tins and jars that I am happy to leave on the shelf for those that might appreciate it more.
See also snails! But they look pretty.

TatianaLarina · 27/03/2019 14:30

Combination of all 3 BCF.

I take not agreeing with the May/ERG as a badge of honour.

AutumnCrow · 27/03/2019 14:32

Leadsom comes across as really odious. Valerie Vaz on the other hand seems positively reasonable.

BigChocFrenzy · 27/03/2019 14:34

Unless May changes her mind again ("this lady IS for turning," unlike MrsT)

Interesting that Cabinet would abstain Hmm

James Cartlidge MPP@jc4southsuffolk*

Whips just confirmed #indicativevotess* will be free votes
with Cabinet abstaining.

BigChocFrenzy · 27/03/2019 14:37

Thanks, red for CM 2.0
So it is indeed CM+CU/CA

Remaining problem is that some advocates seem to think it would remove the backstop

Obviously NOT - the EU would be very naive to trust a future framework which obviously cannot guarantee a future trade deal of that form

FusionChefGeoff · 27/03/2019 14:38

It's absolutely disgraceful that the politics on display are now so blatant.

The way they vote has precisely zero percent to do with the actual thing they are voting on and is all about everything else.

Given that what they are voting on happens to be THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY we could be forgiven for expecting them to vote on that - and not on who of their friends and enemies are also voting,

It's pathetic

I am ashamed of our parliamentary process.

BigChocFrenzy · 27/03/2019 14:39

Leadsom usually comes across as odious - because she is

AutumnCrow · 27/03/2019 14:42

Rees-Mogg making little sense legally. Is he actually qualified in anything?

wheresmymojo · 27/03/2019 14:43

Peter Bone embodies the worst aspects of petty bureaucracy IMO. Him and Chopes make my skin crawl...

BigChocFrenzy · 27/03/2019 14:46

JRM has only just realised that Brexit is a "process, not an event"
He's so ignorant, so far behind where any MP should be

Ridiculous that Leavers - and the BBC - have such respect for him

LouiseCollins28 · 27/03/2019 14:48

No whip on the Conservative benches, Cabinet abstaining, free votes for the rest.

Apparently the whip for Labour is

Whip in favour
F&J - Snell/Clarke on Customs Union
K - Labour’s Brexit plan
M - Beckett on second referendum

They are also “encouraging support”
D - Common Market 2.0

Not sure which options have been selected by the Speaker yet tho.