Westminstenders: Chaos

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If anyone says they know what will happen this week....

... They don't.

It’s not Brexit , it is a binding treaty and it is designed to see us fail completely as a country. Remain is a better option than this toxic surrender document.

Sounds like a reverse ferret and "don't blame me" tweet ....

I wrote a short email to Oliver Letwin this morning (not my MP) thanking him for his intervention yesterday and was amazed to get an email back about 90 seconds later, sent from his phone, saying Thanks!

I hope I wasn't the only person who wanted to show him a little love - I imagined he would be eyeball-deep in gratitude.

pesty that’s interesting as ABanks appears to be saying that Brexit is only Brexit if it is a complete lawless free for all?

I guess that is after all want the ERG want Brexit to mean

I get the impression that a lot of MPs are trying to get their excuses ready.....

Has this been posted? Clock change

Thanks DGRossetti. It's what I thought, if the only reasons the EU would accept an extension are for a PV or an election I don't understand why the DUP would be happy with either of those

At the risk of hubris, one tactic Remainers could now deploy, taking a leaf from the Trump play book, is to talk about things as if Brexit has already been sacked off. Immensely powerful psychologically.

(There's a saying about why should the devil have all the best tunes ?)

In that vein, it's interesting to speculate whether Brexits failure could be attributed almost entirely to the fact that Theresa May handled it so badly it must have been intentional ? Ultimately, the only way Brexit could really happen was to ram it through before anyone had a chance to looking inside the box. However her approach seemed to guarantee delays and missed chances - each one allowing more careful scrutiny of the implications. By the time we got to worrying about A50 lapsing without a deal, the game was up - enough MPs got cold feet and the petition and march combined gave them pause for thought ?

I'm here all week.

Thanks DGRossetti. It's what I thought, if the only reasons the EU would accept an extension are for a PV or an election I don't understand why the DUP would be happy with either of those

I think in the interests of self preservation - and to stave off the horror of a united Ireland - the DUP have done some strategic thinking and decided that much as they love Brexit, they like being the DUP in Northern Ireland even more. So a delayed and eventually dead Brexit is much less a worry for them (bearing in mind NI wanted to Remain anyway) than an ongoing painful Brexit which will lose them votes and probably the entire country of Northern Ireland.

It's a little like why did the Allies join with Russia in WW2, despite being terrified of communist revolutions at home ?

DG That's why I still reckon a 1% chance for May revoking at the last moment
The tiny chance that it was always her Plan B.
Or indeed Plan A

Thanks for that link CurrerBell. I've used it to email my slug of an ERG MP. Won't do any good but at least I've tried.

It’s not Brexit , it is a binding treaty and it is designed to see us fail completely as a country. Remain is a better option than this toxic surrender document.

Sounds to me like someone watching his promised millions swirling down the plughole...

Possibly wrong on this but leavers should think carefully about supporting the WA. It is likely the NI backstop will be triggered as it will take quite a long time to negotiate the new UK-EU relationship. Regardless of when the new relationship is finalised, there appears to be an implicit permanent EU red-line requirement for no hard border on the island of Ireland to maintain compliance with the GFA. EU will therefore insist on continuation of SM and CU on island of Ireland. Demonstrating tech solutions that actually work will be difficult with approval at the EU's discretion. UK has to choose between SM/CU exit or break-up of the UK as committing now to the WA without SM/CU agreement for the new relationship will likely result in break-up of UK (NI first). Better to revoke and negotiate for a revised SM from a position of strength within the EU itself. Is this wrong?

Sounds to me like someone watching his promised millions swirling down the plughole...

Or, alternatively, someone who has made their filthy lucre, and is now quite happy to exit the race.

given how remote the chance of revoke seemed even a month ago, I'd wager there's quite a few "patriotic Brexiteers" that have quietly put a few million on it happening. After all we know they don't really give a fuck about anything they tricked their acolytes with.

There are probably one or two - possibly a little too young right now - who are being schooled in how to repeat this entire process is 20 years time, possibly when they are prime minister. They might even have some ideas about the decor at Chequers, having just seen it.

imo Brexit would significantly damage both the prosperity and the unity of the UK - even the runup towards Brexit has alread done that.

However, I'd expect the transition to be extended many years, rather than invoking the backstop.
I know the WA limits transition, but that can be amended if both parties agree and the EU would almost certainly want this.

Some prominant Leavers have already made many millions from the umpteen exchange fluctuations since the ref

I got PV. Would be happy enough with that right now!

I got revoke. No surprises there

BigChocFrenzy - agree. Repeated/permanent extension of the transition period is also a possibility but I can't see any exit from this or the backstop into a new relationship without the no-border NI/Ireland condition being met. This means close SM/CU+ relationship (but no representation), very good tech solution, or break-up of the UK. But never-ending transition also a possibility which is quite close to the SM+/CU+/-representation situation I suppose.

I think the DUP thought they could go back to the good old days when they were top dogs. It seems reason has prevailed.

Gosh, aren't Leavers snowflakes ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47705334

An opera singer was asked to change her EU flag themed dress for a concert at London's Royal Albert Hall.

British soprano Anna Patalong sang in six performances of the Classical Spectacular concert from 21 to 24 March.

On Saturday, Patalong wore a sash and necklace featuring EU stars.

The show's producer, Raymond Gubbay Ltd, encouraged her to wear another dress on Sunday, as the outfit was "open to misinterpretation".

(contd)

UK could break the WA; I suppose that's another possible outcome. Will probably come with some negatives though as well. Suspect that leavers would not consider that set of outcomes as optimal for the UK. Any leavers still reading - would appreciate your thoughts?

When do we get to hear what the indicative votes will be?!

I don’t how what the fuck is going on anymore, and I regularly read these threads!

The show's producer, Raymond Gubbay Ltd, encouraged her to wear another dress on Sunday, as the outfit was "open to misinterpretation".

What’s good enough for Her Majesty should be good enough for her subjects.

www.theguardian.com/fashion/2017/jun/21/queens-hat-alludes-to-brexit

UK could break the WA; I suppose that's another possible outcome. Will probably come with some negatives though as well. Suspect that leavers would not consider that set of outcomes as optimal for the UK.

Is there a precedent - post Empire - for the UK pissing all over an agreed international treaty ? Is it done at the whim of a Prime Minister, or would parliament have to agree ?

Any leavers still reading - would appreciate your thoughts?

If they're upset over a necklace, they're probably not up for the rough and tumble of factual debate.

Anyway, aren't they all on Farages march ? Probably crap WiFi then ....

What a load of expensive time wasting bs. You can have as many votes as you like, and I will still ignore them.
Still at least the petition looks like it’s going to hit 6 m by tonight.