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Westminstenders: The Last Rites

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RedToothBrush · 20/03/2019 23:52

After May's disastrous speech to the nation, we've hit the impasse once and for all.

She managed to enrage everyone from Brexiteers to hard Remainers and everyone in between. It was so poorly judged it's difficult to know where to begin. It just feeds the division and anger in our society in all quarters.

It's also massively undermines her appeal to the EU for an extension. If France thought we were a political basket case they were well shot of, and didn't want more social contagion from before 8pm, then they certainly won't have changed their minds since.

May's speech was that of a would be dictator. After next Friday, she effectively has both the justification and the power to act upon those instincts. She has spoken out against parliamentary democracy and consistently disregarded the law.

It's hard to see any outcome but no deal with no extension at this point. We are no waiting on a miracle to save us and that's no more than a forlorn hope. Something we hold on to, until reality presents itself.

The Last Rites of British Democracy have been served this week.

And now we face the wait for what seems now inevitable.

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CurlyWurlyTwirly · 21/03/2019 07:36

Been reading the French papers this morning.
Merkel is conciliatory, Macron is basically saying why the Fuck should the UK get an extension if there is no credible plan. They’ve got Brexit fatigue as much as we have.

However they don’t want to be responsible for a no deal Brexit which will mean chaos on their borders, issues with immigration and fishing rights, especially for France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

The way it’s going to play out; I think is the EU will vote to give us an extension, Theresa May’s deal will be voted down by MPs. Then there will be an emergency summit on Thursday 24 hours before we are due to leave and the UK will get an extension.

After that; it’s anyones guess.
I think the appetite of the (small) majority of Parliament is to leave, it’s whether they can agree on moving the famous red lines.

I am just hoping that Theresa May can be sacked and we have a new referendum.

OutwithMyRemit · 21/03/2019 07:36

X posted with lonelyplanetmum

Motheroffourdragons · 21/03/2019 07:37

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Peregrina · 21/03/2019 07:38

The petition we signed just after the referendum got into the millions as I recall, but the answer was F* Off. This might just be different in view of the amount of water which has flowed under the bridge. How are we supposed to tell May anything if we can't have a vote?

PigeonofDoom · 21/03/2019 07:39

Unless the petition reaches 18 million it will make no difference. I’m too disheartened to sign it. We’re going to no deal through sheer stupidity Sad

SparklySneakers · 21/03/2019 07:39

Argh I can't keep up with new threads let alone old ones!
I went to bed with a blinding headache last night and woke up with a scaled down version this morning.
I wonder what today will bring.

GeistohneGrenzen · 21/03/2019 07:39

teaandbiscuitsforme getmetothemarch.co.uk

PMK

Mistigri · 21/03/2019 07:40

I want the petition to be real but the results on the U.K. map don't look right to me. OTOH maybe it's lack of the detail in the high-signing areas. At a very rough eyeball estimate about 70-80k people in London have signed it.

Mistigri · 21/03/2019 07:42

Please, everyone who can, MARCH. Petitions are nowhere near as convincing as people on the streets. You can game petitions but you can't game attendance on Saturday. We are coming from Toulouse.

1tisILeClerc · 21/03/2019 07:42

474,000 now

lonelyplanetmum · 21/03/2019 07:43

She makes me so mad it's beyond Angry. It's that white hot rage. This mess is parliament's fault is it?
Not hers?
Not the internecine Tory strife?

Right -name five things TM has done to try and build consensus?

  1. She suggested a one off very late in the day meeting with Corbyn in which they were both intransigent.
  1. Errrrrr
  1. Errrrrr
EweSurname · 21/03/2019 07:43

Conversation

Sam Coates Times
@SamCoatesTimes
How angry are people?

This angry, in one quote

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/33e43db4-4b60-11e9-9ce9-2870f730ce44

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OogieMcBoogie · 21/03/2019 07:43

Signed. 475k and rising!

LonelyTiredandLow · 21/03/2019 07:43

At least it's growing faster than this knuckle dragger mentality.

How are people still convinced this is the best idea ever? How have they survived thus far without sticking forks into plugs or similar?

LonelyTiredandLow · 21/03/2019 07:44

Oops wrong link - been busy this morning Wink

knuckle draggers

SingaSong12 · 21/03/2019 07:44

Just tried to sign and haven’t got the confirmation email, so number who are signing up maybe higher.
475,672

WordsAndWorlds rocking is soothing isn’t it.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 21/03/2019 07:45

I’ve signed the petition although I don’t think it will do much good.

phpolly · 21/03/2019 07:46

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InterchangeableEmma · 21/03/2019 07:46

Here misti

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 21/03/2019 07:47

getmetothemarch.co.uk for the person who wanted to know how to find transport.

Peregrina · 21/03/2019 07:47

The results did look right to me: lots of signatures in Oxford West and Abingdon, and Oxford East which were strong Remain areas, and have a car factory which might well pull out, plus universities and a large teaching hospital which are all going to suffer if life is made more difficult for EU citizens to come. Similar results for Cambridge.
Strong Leave areas are showing the fewest votes.

As was said - look how the last thread filled up; I have never seen one fill up so quickly and it wasn't just Red, BigChoc and me and a few others working overtime, and not paid for it. (Pity, it would be earn a nice little extra!)

mrsjg · 21/03/2019 07:47

PMK

lonelyplanetmum · 21/03/2019 07:48

Oh FFS stop doubting the petition. The one to stop Trump visiting grew pretty damn fast.

There's nothing to lose by signing it.

MissMalice · 21/03/2019 07:48

I haven’t bothered signing petitions but I’ve signed this one. My Facebook feed is full of it being shared by friends who also don’t normally share petitions either.

1tisILeClerc · 21/03/2019 07:49

Bristol
Brighton
Cambridge
seem to be the front runners outside London at around 2% or greater of their population.
many other places are around 0.5% mark.